Is the Watchtower Organization in accordance with God's requirements?

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  • Listener
    Listener

    Beroean Pickets has another excellant article presented on their Website. It is written by Tadua. In light of the Russian ban there are many valid points made.

    The organization has always fought fiercely for it's right to worship and have been able to establish those rights under various Governments. The article examines whether the rights they fight for are in fact requirement of true worship.
    http://beroeans.net/2017/07/10/2017-july-10-july-16-our-christian-life-and-ministry/

    Gods Kingdom Rules (kr chp. 15 par. 1-8) – Fighting for Freedom to Worship
    It is true that worship involves more than what one believes. But does worship actually require the things that the organization has fought for. The area covered this week is the right to exist as an organization and to meet at kingdom halls and assembly halls, and distribute literature.
    So we have to ask, are these things a necessary part of worship in the scriptures or is it again an organizational requirement?
    One item that stood out in these paragraphs was the fight to be able to print and distribute Bible literature. Did the early Christians suffer bans on bible literature? This doesn’t seem to have been an issue. Indeed they did not use literature, they only relied on the Hebrew Scriptures and the Gospels and Letters of Paul and the other apostles as they became available.
    So why the need today, especially when we have the whole Bible readily available? Could it be that either deliberately or not, more weight is being given to the teachings in the literature than those taken directly from God’s word? Also is the good news being made unnecessarily complicated as a result, so that the simple clarity that the early disciples preached so successfully has been lost? There are no scriptures to support the right to distribute Bible literature.
    What about meeting at kingdom halls and assembly halls? Again there is no scriptural requirement for these. True, the Bible does talk about not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together. (Hebrews 10:24, 25) However, this scripture does not mandate the gathering together in meeting halls. The early Christians met in private homes.
    Finally what about the right to exist as an organization? Again, there is no scriptural requirement for an organization, and as mentioned on previous occasions, the word ‘organization’ does not appear in the scriptures. Even the use of ‘association of brothers’ does not qualify as an organized official body. The normal use of the word association is ‘a connection or co-operative link between people or organizations.’ As they were brothers they had a co-operative link between them. To use the word association to prove existence of an organization is disingenuous at best. The Greek word used in 1 Peter 2:17 is adelphotes which means ‘brotherhood’, ‘band of brothers’, which implies an informal group of friends or brothers with the same interests.
    So the brothers are fighting in the courts for things which are Organizational requirements, not Scriptural necessities.
    Additionally, while these rights have been fought for and established in law in many countries, there has been no effort to fight for these rights in outright Muslim countries, and extreme Communist countries. Other arrangements have been made for these countries. So we ask, was the fight really necessary? Surely if it is necessary for ‘Western lands’ it is also necessary for Muslim and communist lands, and vice-versa. Is Jehovah’s hand short, or does he simply not require such things at all?
    When we read paragraph 8, we can only ask how do the witnesses in Russia feel about being under ban yet again in the year of 2017? We would want to have empathy for the witnesses as individuals, but once again it appears that to some extent it has been either unnecessarily provoked or at least incurred, in part due to the unscriptural rules they enforce, such as the policy of complete shunning of disassociated and disfellowshipped ones until reinstatement takes place.
  • Slidin Fast
    Slidin Fast

    These are interesting and thought provoking points.

    The WTS has found it necessary once again to defend the existence of an organisation this month in the broadcast. I was unable to concentrate on the droning argument due to a pathological attack of WT induced narcolepsy 2 minutes in. But the very fact of making it a subject indicates that they are on the back foot in this.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    The long answer is No

    The short answer is No

    Did the early Christians suffer bans on bible literature? This doesn’t seem to have been an issue. Indeed they did not use literature, they only relied on the Hebrew Scriptures and the Gospels and Letters of Paul and the other apostles as they became available.

    , while these rights have been fought for and established in law in many countries, there has been no effort to fight for these rights in outright Muslim countries, and extreme Communist countries

    I wonder why that is ?

    The article examines whether the rights they fight for are in fact requirement of true worship.

    Or is it the rights they fight for are for self interest gaining acceptance in the community as being a religion becomming more mainstream.


  • Chook
    Chook

    Listener you are absolutely right on the money, this religion is all about control and these little sheep are not getting lost , mother WT will embrace your life with your full servitude to the holy men of Warwick. Read some of the realtime life stories on this forum where family unity is getting destroyed by religious dogma, grandmothers never meeting grandchildren because of disfellowshipping rules .

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    How can commercialized false prophets be chosen as god's requirement ?

    The Watchtower Publishing house started off as an Christian apostate organization and still is through its core doctrines.

    What does the bible say about coming upon false prophets ?

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Pale Emperor highlighted another corrupt and evil teaching of the ungodly W.T.B.T.S./CCoJW in this topic:

    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6204697381699584/my-reverse-shunning-letter-my-mother

    He cited this reference from the "Shepherd the Flock of God" which effectively tells J.W.'s that "God's" [the org's] wonderful disfellowshipping restrictions only apply to those who do not live in the same home as their "loyal" family members. Virtually all family contact is only forbidden by God when a d/f'd individual lives in a different building!

    Page 116, par. 6. "If members of the congregation are known to have undue association with disfellowshipped or disassociated relatives who are not in the household, elders should counsel and reason with those members of the congregation from the Scriptures. Review with them information from the "God's Love book, pages 207-208; The Watchtower of April 15 1988, pages 26-30; or the article "Display Christian Loyalty When a Relative Is Disfellowshipped” in the August 2002 Our Kingdom Ministry. If it is clear that a Christian is violating the spirit of the disfellowshipping decree in this regard and does not respond to counsel, it may be that he would not qualify for congregation privileges, which require one to be exemplary. He would not be dealt with judicially unless there is persistent spiritual association or he openly criticizes the disfellowshipping decision."

    This "demon inspired" teaching hasn't dawned on very many J.W.'s yet. It's only forum topics like this which can encourage them to take a step back and question things for themselves.

  • Reazon22
    Reazon22

    Very good post.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    The Org has a long history of only picking fights it thought it would win, almost solely for the purpose of "proving" God had their back to the rank-and-file.

    Which, of course, suggests that without said "proof", too many of said rank-and-filers might no longer support the Org.

    ...

    Once again, for the newbies, lurkers, and trolls...

    ...if you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Hell, at this point, I don't even think the Org knows what "God's requirements" are... :smirk:

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