John 3:16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son" ...Really ?

by smiddy3 7 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  smiddy3

  For four thousand years God never gave two hoots about the world of mankind that is suggested by john 3;16 and how do we know that ? simply by looking at his dealings with mankind for the first 4000 years of his dealings with humans as shown by the "Old Testament"

  1. God only dealt with a couple or a few individuals early on in the O.T.

  2.God only dealt with one family line whom he chose above anybody else .

  3.This family line the Israelites became a nation whom God dealt with exclusively.

  4.To the exclusion of every other peoples on earth ,he favoured who became the Israelites and he obviously had a hatred for any other people and was instrumental in trying to get the Israelites to commit genocide on many occasions against these people who God had never taken an interest in .

  5.Jehovah God on numerous occasions instructed the Israelite`s/Jews wipe out the Amorite`s , the Hittites ,the Jebusite`s ,etc ,etc, and with the blessing of him not to feel sorry for them kill old man woman and child and do not feel sorry for them.

  Jehovah god actually gave the Israelites /jews sanctions to commit genocide amongst these nations in the "Old Testament "

  So it sort of contradicts what is said in John 3: 16 doesn`t it .
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  Amelia Ashton

  For a God who is supposed to be impartial to race or colour he certainly encouraged a lot of smiting of people of particular heritage.
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  Ireneus

  God has never thought of sacrificing anyone, let alone Jesus. (Jeremiah 7:31) The whole concept of sacrifice is the invention of priestly class. (Jeremiah 8:8) Jesus unequivocally declared through an illustration that He did not come to die. (Mathew 21:37). Hence Jesus would not contradict himself as given in John 3:16. This concept is from John, not from Jesus just as John 3:13 is from John (not from Jesus).
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  blownaway

  More crazy crap in a book written by goat herders trying to explain the world.
  
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  cofty

  For four thousand years God never gave two hoots about the world of mankind

  For 200,000 years god ignored the suffering of humanity.
  
  
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  Perry

  God seemed to have had a mostly hands off policy unless he felt that someone or some group interfered with his plan of salvation and eventual reconciliation of everything to himself.

  The bible makes it clear that any outside of a covenant (peace agreement) relationship with God are his enemies. After the Fall, man only wanted small gods, not the Infinite Creator. To actually want God, we must return to a child-like nature. We must be born again.

  John 3:16 makes this possible to "whosoever" anytime, anywhere, any people group.... everyone.
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  smiddy3

  Point taken cofty
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  venus

  Though Bible contains much meaningless things, it also contains some truths here and there which came there not because of inspiration, but because of intuition of some of its writers in line with what is observed in nature. One among them sheds light on God’s activity and His silence in between.

  Compare the following three things:

  “Unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit.” (John 12:24)

  The Parable of the Prodigal Son Luke 15:11–32

  “Renewal of system of things” when it becomes decadent. (Mathew 19:28)

  Just like every seed dies and new tree appears, system of things on earth goes through phases such as new creation, growth, becoming old/decadent which eventually requires renewal.

  This would mean God has only one act to perform—renewal whenever system of things on earth becomes too decadent, after which He goes into silence. Thus God’s activity is not seen 99.99% of the time. Some may interpret this situation as proof of non-existence of God. But in fact, this is the proof of His elevated standard of non-intervention in the affairs of man who is like Him in qualities, hence can solve any problem. But humans remain perfect for some time and then they turn into seeking their own limited agenda which is at the root of system of things becoming decadent.

  The more humble a person, the less bothered he would be about results such as gratitude/ingratitude and honor/dishonor. Looking from His actions, God can be defined as the servant of humanity because He has made abundant provisions for our sustenance and also for enjoyment of our life (look at the variety of fruits, flowers …etc). In other words, He recreates such provisions whenever they go depleted/destroyed, and goes into silence which means He is not interested in receiving our gratitude, honor or worship.

  Now back to the illustration of seed of wheat. Seed-tree-seed mechanism is eternal. If a seed is boiled/ burnt it would not sprout. If materialism were true, and everything had a beginning at some point in time, it would mean before such a beginning, situation was like that of seed being boiled/burnt with no possibility for a seed or tree to come into existence. Thus materialism is out of the picture which means seed-tree-seed mechanism is the eternal truth, and God is the Supreme Seed.