“This is my son the beloved. Listen to HIM,”

by Fisherman 4 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Fisherman

  The Apostles and early Christians suffered and died resulting from listening to Jesus and Jesus said this would happen.

  But is listening to Jesus the same as direction from the gb based on interpretation of the Bible, for example, in medical treatment or other directions? A Christian could expect death or injury resulting from listening to Jesus but should this validate possible erroneous understanding of the Bible? We know that Peter was executed because of his Christianity and so was Jesus by the way. The issue is, is it necessary to die or be seriously injure?. Obviously, a Christian doesn’t go to a battlefield and kill fellow christians or put herself in a position to be killed by them. —Because that clearly violates the Bible. But how about in other matters of life and death, how do you know you are listening to Jesus?
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  TonusOH

  I think the issue is whether there is a reliable way to determine what the Bible is saying on these topics. If a person is convinced that the JW governing body (or the Pope, or any similar recognized leadership) is guided by the holy spirit, then whatever they choose as an interpretation is what god wants. But how to determine which of those (if any) is being guided by god?

  There are debates going on in this forum right now about Christian teachings, and the people involved seem very smart and well-informed and also sincere about what they believe. But there is no consensus. If bright, honest, and devout people cannot come to an understanding on issues as important to them as the trinity, how can we ever determine who is being guided by god today?
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  Biahi

  Simple, Tonus, the GB is guided by God today, didn’t you know ? Don’t believe me? Just ask them! 😂
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  Sea Breeze

  Obviously, a Christian doesn’t go to a battlefield.....that clearly violates the Bible.

  Fisherman,

  It most certainly does not, the opposite is true. Are you not capable of generating even one biblical concept instead of regurgitating WT dung? This garbage that you are saying is "obvious" is utter poison. Your unbiblical cowardice and personal failure to confront evil is the most sure fire way to get your family, neighbors and countrymen killed. Evil must be opposed militarily. It won't stop unless people that are not like you oppose it. It is the expressed will of God!

  Government does not bear the sword in vain... he is God’ minister to you for good....to execute wrath on him who practices evil. (Romans 13:4)
  

  Goverments are imperfect, but all the same they are God's minister. God will sort out the ramifications of his institutions.

  You are advocating opposing an institution of God, his minister, while at the same time claiming to obey God's "obvious" will. You are utterly deceived and probably should be imprisoned to keep you from hurting yourself or others. Your mind is broken. Go sit in a decent bible-believing Church for a few years and decompress like all former JW-but-now-current-believers had to do. The local church was left by Jesus as a service to people just like you and me. You should avail yourself to it. Jesus didn't leave behind the internet, he left the church. Stop ignoring another one of God's institutions.

  But how about in other matters of life and death, how do you know you are listening to Jesus?

  Stop adding, twisting or otherwise ignoring Jesus words. Read the bible like you would any other book. The answer is in your own question silly.
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  Fisherman

  Tonus, nice post.

  But how to determine which of those (if any) is being guided by god?

  A voice from heaven or something to that effect.

  But even then what troubles some is being Uriah led to the front lines by God’s anointed. Should Uriah not have listened to king David? Would that have been not following theocratic order and displeasing to God?