The Power Beyond What Is Normal

by IWant2Know 6 Replies latest jw experiences

  • IWant2Know
    IWant2Know

    Related to this topic:

    Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay (jehovahs-witness.com)

    I would like to know if any former or current JWs have ever experienced any type of superhuman strength from God? (Also, see Philippians 4:13, 2 Corinthians 4:7, Colossians 1:11, and 1 Corinthians 10:13.) Because thinking that I could or should fulfill what those verses and other similar verses were saying, was one of the most painful things for me when I was a JW.

    However, I've seen JWs on the internet, when pressed with this topic end up saying that there really is no 'power,' but is more of a mind set and a determination that a Witness has from reading and following the Bible and having Jehovah's holy spirit guide him with encouragement from the Bible.

    But wait... Is that a legitimate assessment? Is that what those verses are saying what happens? Because personally, the answers that I've seen from JWs sounds more like mind over matter.

    Any comments?

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    Mind over matter? That's a pretty good description of the JW mindset. The good people are "strong" in the truth. Bad people are "weak" in the truth.

    Scripture simply describes this as a fake humility and "will worship".

    Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will worship, and humility - Col. 2:23 KJV

    They put on a good show, but in reality only worship their will power and callousness.

    Because thinking that I could or should fulfill what those verses and other similar verses were saying, was one of the most painful things for me when I was a JW.

    Me too. It was unbearable. That's why Jesus said you must be born again.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Well, a number of Bible stories have characters given literal superhuman strength, but as the religion matured superman stories gave way to promises of peace and future rewards. Religion can offer a believer a structured path to acceptance of horrible tragedy or loss. It is not necessarily the best coping method. Very often the religion's promises ring hollow when really faced with suffering or loss.

    In my experience, strength comes from the sober yet optimistic recognition that we, and those we love, are here for a little while and then make room for others after us. There is no cosmic conspiracy, no fated destiny, no great injustice in life being transitory. No one has wronged us. No one has robbed us immortality. No one owes me a perfect world. Strength comes from empowerment, and inner peace. Change what we can and accept what we can't. I always thought it ironic that some pray for that very thing.

  • IWant2Know
    IWant2Know
    Sea Breeze said:
    Mind over matter? That's a pretty good description of the JW mindset.

    Thank you, Sea Breeze.

    The good people are "strong" in the truth. Bad people are "weak" in the truth.

    I remember when I was in the org in my late teens, fresh out of high school, and found out that a friend of mine from high school's mother was a JW and went to the KH. But actually, I became better friends with the mother than the high school friend, however, the mother wasn't really considered 'strong in the truth' and wouldn't really consistently go to the meetings or out in field service. Therefore, in spite of how good of friends we were, I recall thinking about her as being 'weak in the truth.' 😕 However, that didn't stop us from being good friends.

    Me too. It was unbearable. That's why Jesus said you must be born again.

    Thank you, Sea Breeze. Also, it would be nice if that worked for me, but unfortunately, it just doesn't. 😕

  • IWant2Know
    IWant2Know

    peacefulpete said:


    Well, a number of Bible stories have characters given literal superhuman strength, but as the religion matured superman stories gave way to promises of peace and future rewards. Religion can offer a believer a structured path to acceptance of horrible tragedy or loss. It is not necessarily the best coping method. Very often the religion's promises ring hollow when really faced with suffering or loss.

    Thank you, Pete. I've noticed that too. Also, I've come to the conclusion that if something works for you then it works for you. However, that doesn't mean that it necessarily works for me. Also, I've noticed that when a person is really sold on their belief system, then unfortunately, they believe that their belief system is the all-encompassing solution and truth for everyone. Although, I can understand their perspective and their stance (even though that doesn't mean that I always like it 😄) because I was once that way myself.

    Also, that just brought back a memory of shortly after I had come into the organization, I had serious doubts about my struggle and my experience in the JW religion. Therefore, one day, I saw this one guy who was a bit older than I was (and maybe in his mid 20s or early 30s, because I was in my late teens) at a bank, and who was married to this one baptized JW, but he wasn't baptized yet, and therefore, was obviously not considered strong in the truth. Therefore, I decided to say to him while in the bank that I didn't think that the 'truth' was for me. (Thinking that I would get a sympathetic ear and some sort of camaraderie and support from him.) However, to my surprise, 😮 I think that he got a bit defensive and perhaps put on the spot, because he ended up giving me this little speech about how: Sure, the truth was for me because the truth is for everyone. 😵

    Therefore, with another effort of trying to get out of this religion during the early stages of when I was in it, I experienced another dousing of my efforts. lol 😄

    In my experience, strength comes from the sober yet optimistic recognition that we, and those we love, are here for a little while and then make room for others after us.

    Over the years, I have come to look at things that way too. However, perhaps my sense of self, or perhaps my ego still kind of believes on some level that there's more to us, and that with our complexities and out distinctiveness and out personalities, that there's more to us than just birth, life, and then death. 😕

    There is no cosmic conspiracy, no fated destiny, no great injustice in life being transitory. No one has wronged us. No one has robbed us immortality. No one owes me a perfect world.

    It's interesting because not too long I saw a movie on, I think Netflix, where this one character was threatened with death, and she said something like: Well, if I die, then I will be back in the situation that I was in before I was born. And I must admit, that left a kind of 'practical' impression upon me.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    Thank you, Sea Breeze. Also, it would be nice if that worked for me, but unfortunately, it just doesn't. 😕

    It wasn't even on my radar for 8 years after I left. When I put myself in charge of my life after having put the WT in charge, it was a marked improivement. But, I came to the end of how far that horse would take me, and it wasn't nearly enough, not for me.

  • IWant2Know
    IWant2Know
    Sea Breeze said:
    But, I came to the end of how far that horse would take me, and it wasn't nearly enough, not for me.

    So, are you talking about your new-found faith after JWs, or the JW faith?

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