The Society's Strange Answer to Whether Surviving Armageddon is Mankind's First or Second Chance?

by new boy 8 Replies latest jw friends

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  new boy

  One of the things that I read way back in 1973 that change my thoughts about the question of whether we earn our way into the new system (as the society would like you believe) or is it a free give. The answer the society gave was quit surprising. When I was still a JW and went back to the world headquarters in 1996 it was the first thing I asked Cerio Allisino who is the writing department. He informed me the information was correct. The statement was in the "God's reign of a thousand years is now approaching" book. Page 129 paragraph 32. It said this. It was very surprising what the society had to say.

  "Because of being born sinful and condemned to death mankind never had "a chance" It could never justify itself before the God of absolute perfection by doing perfect works of righteousness and ridding itself of sinfulness."

  So get this.... it goes on to say.

  "So Judgement Day does not offer mankind what is called "a second chance" Rather, it affords to mankind ts first opportunity to gain eternal life in human perfection and absolute innocence in an earthly Paradise!"

  Of course to me back then this would make more sense. How could any man be judged with all that sin an imperfection? So how could any man.... Jehovah's Witness or not even a Jehovah's Witness, be judged? After all THEY said we "never had a first chance "

  So what is all this "working hard" and "exerting vigorously" thing about? Which is it? Is it a free gift as they even claim it is....or are your working your way there, as the as they would have you believe from their many remarks from their pulpit?

  How can you believe in any organization that can't even keep their own stories straight?

  Also I guess this another reason you can't research any of their publications older than 1980 on their web site!

  cool aid anyone?
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  Vanderhoven7

  The Society does not preach grace. If you are a JW and you don't cooperate with the FDS you will be destroyed at Armageddon. And the billions of non-witnesses that are destroyed at Armageddon will not even get that so-called first chance.

  Biblically, it's salvation by grace through faith in Christ's redeeming blood. Christ died for all Sodom will be back by grace as well despite what the WT says.
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  sir82

  You will slowly go insane if you look for and/or expect to find rational coherence in WTS doctrines.
  
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  Vanderhoven7

  LOL
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  Ding

  The WT says you can't earn your way into paradise but if you don't prove worthy by your works you won't make it.

  But if you prove worthy by your works, haven't you earned it?
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  Vidiot

  sir82 - "You will slowly go insane if you look for and/or expect to find rational coherence in WTS doctrines."

  Don't kid yourself.

  It ain't that slow.

  
  
  
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  Beth Sarim

  Ding;

  ''The WT says you can't earn your way into paradise but if you don't prove worthy by your works you won't make it.

  But if you prove worthy by your works, haven't you earned it?''.

  Every bible but the WT has the word ''grace'' in it. If I'm not mistaken and memory serves me correctly.

  Ephesian 2:8,9 talks about ''grace'' and how by ''grace'' you are save and ''not by works''.

  The WT dogma on how to be saved is by ''their'' method by ''working'' to earn salvation. i.e. ''undersved kindness''. Now spin that their ''way'' and it's a total 180 degree difference in understanding.

  There was a Mike and Kim video a while back. Mike talked about how ''undeserved kindness'' replaces the word 'grace'. This proves how they understand you must 'work' for your salvation. You must play by the rules and do their ''work'', according to them.

  So yes! According to the 'hard core' staunch, overrighteous JW's, only THEY, THEM will survive into their 'New World"".
  
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  sir82

  The WT says you can't earn your way into paradise but if you don't prove worthy by your works you won't make it.

  Yes indeed, that is the head-smacking conundrum that is so glaringly obvious to all but those who are JWs:

  How is it "undeserved kindness" if it is only given to "deserving ones"?
  
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  Vidiot

  Shut up, sir82, you're making too much sense!!!