i DON'T THINK I CAN TAKE THE BRAINLESS CONVERSATIONS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by BLISSISIGNORANCE 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • BLISSISIGNORANCE
    BLISSISIGNORANCE

    OMG......................how did I last 12 years in that mindless cult????????

    I had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a couple of dubs, not by choice, but rather by misfortune. Why I say misfortune is because of the dumb conversations that took place with them. It's been a long time since my hubby and I have been to a meeting so our exposure to JW thinking has been very little if none at all. Hence, conversing with dubs is proving VERY testing and frustrating.

    A brother dropped in the other night, and although it was apparent that he has been doing alot of thinking about the borg etc, his ability to rationalise and justify was frightening. The twisted use of scripture, the 'imperfect men' answer, 'the jws have jehovah's spirit directing them'.............etc, etc..........just drove me mad. But I must say that when I told him about the UN scandal, his jaw dropped, while trying so hard to not look shocked and horrified.

    Then the next day hubby and I bumped into another dub who mentioned that he hadn't seen us at meetings for a long time. My hubby told him as plain as day that we just weren't going anymore, we are sick of the policies that protect pedos and how much power the elders are given and abused. Then the crap flowed from his mouth, how no matter what anyone did to him, they would never stop him serving the true god jehovah. That jehovah allows men to make mistakes etc, etc, etc...............crap, crap, crap!

    As hubby and I walked away from each conversation we just couldn't believe the level of brain-washing and control the WTS has over these people. When people can't think for themselves to the point that their natural feelings and reasoning is taken over by rationalising, and being more concerned about protecting the reputation of an organization rather than hating the protection of pedophiles....................you have got to wonder what is in these peoples heads. I know I was in it too once, and that I was a part of the crap that goes on there, but when I had to make a choice between right and wrong, there was no way I would put the WTS's name and reputation above my kids safety, or being truthful to people at the door. When I found out about the lies and corruption I had to leave, there was nothing else to do or think about.

    These people who defend the borg and all it's filthy activities, after coming to know about them, are responsible for their actions and choices. I have concluded after speaking with dubs, that they are sticking with the borg for some personal gain. Whether it's to play it safe for protection at armageddon, or to have privelages and status now, maybe to control their spouses or children...............whatever the reason, they are being selfish, responsible and therefore reprahensible. I'm sick of hearing their answers, I'm sick of their reasoning, I'm sick of their sick minds.

    It freaks me out sometimes when I think I was with them once, but it's never to late to change and stop being a part of some sick and disfunctional lifestyle. Every person on earth has free will and as far as I'm concerned every dub that stays in the borg after knowing what the WTS has done are disgusting. That's the conclusion I've come to after the conversations I had with dubs over the weekend. I use to feel sorry for them, or think they were just naive, but I now believe it has to do with corrupt thinking and feeling.

    I hope I never have to feel the frustration of another conversation with a dub again................I don't think I can take anymore.

    Has anyone else had similair conversations and feelings?

    That's my whine for the week, now I'll have a red.

    Cheers, Bliss

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Kinda reminds me how a reformed smoker feels walking in to a smoky room. It is always worse after having been removed from it completely for months. When I lived with smokers, I learned to breathe shallowly. Now that I am away from it completely, even a little whiff can be offensive. We get used to fresh air after a while.

    Three cheers for fresh air.

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    yep, it's weird to talk to a dub now. very one track. even weirder to think i was once like that!

    my favorite thing about being "out" has been the interesting conversations i've been enjoying with many intelligent peeps on a wide array of topics.

    SPAZ

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Bliss I can soooo relate to that. It is so sad to see grown people incapable of thinking. They can only recite well worn quotes from the society. Their lives have been so narrowed they have forgotten what thinking is.

    I think my epiphany about their ability to think came a few years ago when I wanted to offer my condolences to a sister whose husband had died. I approached her in the mall and said what I wanted. She stood there like a 3 year old. Turned her head down like she was ashamed to talk to me and muttered Thank you

    I think she was touched my my words but what I saw was a 60 year old woman reduced to a child-like state. The power of mind-control was so over-whelmingly before me. I would have had to be blind not to see it.

    It was so sad.

    I find too when the JWs come to my door and I start talking to them that I get frustrated wth the recitations. But one benefit of that is that I know almost before they do what they are going to say so I can use that against them

  • Gadget
    Gadget

    Some of the things they come out with are unbelieveable. But how many here had these sort of conversations before, but they were the ones sticking up for the wittnesses? Everyone can list off scandals they heard about when they were a wittness, but when your brainwashed by all the things your being bombarded with at the meetings, the liturature and assemblies ect you can look past it. Its only when you step back from this that you see what really going on and realise how you used to act.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    Kinda reminds me how a reformed smoker feels walking in to a smoky room. It is always worse after having been removed from it completely for months. When I lived with smokers, I learned to breathe shallowly. Now that I am away from it completely, even a little whiff can be offensive. We get used to fresh air after a while.

    Good parallel jgnat!

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Yep, it can be SOOOOO frustrating, but be patient, it might bear fruit.

    Interesting that a dub spoke with you guys - who was it? anyone i might know?

    BTW we'll be soon seeing our mutual friend so I'll be "off air" for a while. Will check with you later, OK?

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • Thunder Rider
    Thunder Rider

    I can't relate to your situation. every time I see some one from our old hall, they run like mad in the opposite direction. I know Sheila ran them off the front lawn a few years ago when I was very ill, but I never threatened any of them personaly. How any of them could in any way defend the WTS treatment of and dealings with child abusers is beyond the realm of reasonable thought. A bunch of people that are that moraly corrupt need a reality check hard and fast.

    Like Jgnat said, the air is much fresher where I am now.

    Thunder

  • run dont walk
    run dont walk

    the stupidty is unbelievable.

    And the point that sends me into a furious frenzy, is when they say after acknowledging all these terrible things is well " they will have to answer to jehovah when the time comes"

    Like that is there answer to everything, when something goes wrong.

    It's amazing to me, I talked to my family recently, and asked how come they changed the 1914 generation thing, their answer, oh they didn't change it, we just understand it better now.

    What is the point of talking to them !!!!!!!!!!!

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    they will have to answer to jehovah when the time comes"

    I honestly think the next time I hear this stupid, ignorant line.

    If I ever am subjected to a conversation with a dub I will say

    "If Jehovah waits that long to punish perverts than I think I would rather not worship a God like that"

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