Do jws distinguish contrition from attrition ?
I apologise I shouldn't have been that way - or - I'm sorry about that, I shouldn't have done that (reality being because I think I might be going to get in some sort of trouble or suffer a loss)
Do jws distinguish contrition from attrition ?
by A Paduan 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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DJ
In some instances...no they cannot make the distinction imo. They see it as disobedience to God because the wt said so. The feelings of guilt laid upon them by the elders masquerade as conviction from God. Although part of the mind knows that the wt is wrong, one is void of the ability to understand personal conviction if it varies from what they teach. It is a mind control governed by fear which disallows the accuracy of own's own thoughts. The mandatory lock step conformity on all matters of personal conviction is what makes it cultish.
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the mole
***the mole*** Yes, you are right jedi. Many have given their minds on what to think of god over to men who carry much fault and bring their own background in on how to worship even contridicting the org sometimes. Then the org writing from personal feelings and conviction instead of really understanding the bible, and this is what make the org into a cult. To ask someone to shut off their reason and to follow blindly is the first step in a cult and to punish them for thinking and asking why is always the second attribute of a cult... I wish i didnt have to hide but all my family is associate with this group and now that i have broken away and taking my children with me a burden has been lifted from my shoulders. Trying to reason and convince my family is another thing. No matter what facts i have they say it was satan who put it there. That is the brick wall that i have to conquer...***the mole***
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A Paduan
What do jws believe about Judas Iscariot ? and Esau ?
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the mole
***the mole*** hi paduan......easy to answer that..as a former ms they will say freewill.. then they will give many examples of freewill to choose between the organization or the world... many of the young are confused on this issue...why would god give freewill if we are to be punished for using it.. the elders and such would list satan as using his freewill then betraying god and men who stole or killed.. the funny thing is they tell us to be solomon like in dealing with god but they always leave out his murder and adultry..then when it is questioned they say he used his freewill and errored against god and lost his kingdom..the young ones as you probably heard are confused on the issue of freewill and are the ones who often commit some of the most horrible acts that even shocks the public... when i grew up many of the friends that i had dropped out and became drug addicts, abusers, homosexuals and heavy drinkers.. there unbalance training leaves many of the kids desperate and wanting.. so instead of leaving the org and adjusting to normalacy their unbalance view of the world we live in creates a guilt factor which often kills them for leaving or forcing them to come back beaten from their own self abuse to drown the words they have been brainwashed to hear..some of the news of multi murder suicides and suicides are fomer witnesses....it has taken me a couple years to suppress their voices in my head..this is why i must get my kids out of there before they end up like my old friends....i no longer feel guilty but happy to be rid of their lies and now that i know the real truth i remain inside the kingdom hall questioning and contridicting what they told us to those who want to listen...My children stay home while i attend the sunday meetings only or special assemblies to gather information and tell all people what is really going on inside the halls and assemblies..i cant help everyone but if i could save but one family from the treachery of the wts maybe god would see me as a good person...****the mole***
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A Paduan
but if i could save but one family from the treachery of the wts maybe god would see me as a good person
I've no doubt that you don't have to do anything.
Back to my question about Judas - do the jws simply think he committed a really big sin or something ? - do they understand that he repented over loss - i.e. he was rying to 'keep the rules' for his reward, but percieved his lot as loss when he realised he was implicated in killing an innocent person.
Sorry over loss - attrition. Do jws get that?