Bible Student's C.T Russell gave 'organisation' the thumbs down!

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  • be wise
    be wise

    C. T. Russell was against organizing his own religion, or at least he said so (see The Watchtower, 1895 p.216; also 1894 p.384 & 1893 p.266). He also noted,

    "The endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects, culminated in the great apostasy and the development of the great papal system, and thereby the gospel, the one faith that Paul and the other apostles set forth, was lost - buried under the mass of uninspired decrees of popes and councils. The unity of the early church, based upon the simple gospel and bound only by love, gave place to the bondage of the church of Rome...Each new reform movement (like Protestantism) has made the failure of attempting to make a creed just large enough for its prime movers." --WT, Sep. 1893, p. 1572

    On why organizations don't work -

    "...we have pointed out continually the tendency of Christian people toward union, showing, too, that such a union is predicted in scripture; but that its results, while designed to be good, will really be bad; and this because it will be a mechanical union instead of a heart unity."--WT, Mar 1893, p. 1504
    The "Bible Students," as they were called back in the early years, could attend other churches and celebrate Christmas. Yet, five presidents and ninety years later, the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is virtually unrecognizable from its origins. Boasting over five million active members and massive real estate holdings, the Watchtower is a major industry that keeps a tight clamp on its financial records as well as its inner politics.

    http://www.freeminds.org/sales/menuframes.htm

    I haven’t read any literature by C.T.Russell yet so I can’t really comment knowledgbly on what I think of him.

    Personally I like C.T.Russell in some ways. He believed in the great pyramid – some people call this stupid – I respect him for having an open mind, a breath of fresh air compared to Rutherfords JWism, (cough), although he was guilty of changing a few things for his own benefit (dates etc). He also sold his family business for millions, you can imagine how much that was back then and died with 20 quid to his name – some people would call this stupid as well but at least he believed in something and went for it regardless of cost. Although his personal life and relationship with his wife suffered badly (hmm). I spend an unhealthy amount of time, in some people’s opinion, writing music but they would never understand what it means to me.

    Does anyone have any quotes of his claims he made about himself, what his authority was – this is where it all goes wrong in my opinion for any man?

    As I say I haven’t read much literature he wrote so don’t judge me too harshly if you’ve already done your research. If you have hit the reply button.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    I have additional info, but these quotes are telling. They show that in this respect Russell's thinking was actually more sound than that of what would prove to be future jws.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Hi be wise

    If the WTS was today being directed according to the procedures Russell promoted, there would be no "organization." In his day, every "ecclesia" (as "congregations" were then called) operated autonomously. No Brooklyn boys telling them what to do; they set their own meeting content and agendas; they selected their own elders; if they decided to excommunicate someone, it was by way of a congregational hearing and vote (not a committee, and no "clearance" through Brooklyn); they didn't have to study or use any of the WTS literature, if they didn't want to (though most did, by choice); they didn't have "quotas." Many of the early WTs included articles contributed by others, identified by name (some with a note from Russell like "While we don't agree with all the points contained herein, we thought well to put this out for your consideration"). And Russell continued, to his dying breath, to call all people of other Christian religions "brother and sister" (ok, he wasn't totally ecumenical, but way different than what the WTS became under Rutherford).

    In some ways he was bizarre and self-serving (aren't we all? ); but he was a saint, compared to Rutherford.

    Good topic!

    Craig

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Well Russells books arent hard to find. If your interested in the subject of organized religion and Russells view of it, I suggest reading "Studies in the Scriptures" volume 3 chapter "The Work of Harvest".

    That books available online here somewheres

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    RF, I know that you too have done considerable research on WTS history. What do you think? If Russell was running things today, would there be an org?

    Craig

  • be wise
    be wise

    Thanks Craig, that was very informative (can't think of another word).

    Cheers

    be wise.

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Well Ona, I think if you are publishing a magazine which thousands subscribe to, and your running a publishing organization, and you are allowing to be published , in your magazine, letters from readers which letters claim you are the emissary of God....You are living dangerously.

    I dont doubt that Russell would have, did, fall into the adulation / ego trap just like all the rest. Lets face it, what kind of a person would write an interpretation of scriptural prophecy and believe that he had discovered the TRUE meaning of Prophecy. ?? Truly, only a man who was full of his own greatness could believe such a thing. Im sure Russell is burning in whatever hell there is, along with Jim Jones. Mao. and Rutherford.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    RF, your points about Russell's possible (probable?) megalomania are well-taken. There is certainly more than enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that he was "full of himself," at least to a greater degree than would fit an ordinary man.

    What I'm particularly interested in here, for the purposes of a research project I'm doing, is: What take do you have on Russell as an "organization man?" Russell, as a man not just on a self-perceived "mission from God," but as a man intent on compelling others to conform to his "vision?"

    I hope that RR jumps in here (there's another Bible Student posting here as well...I can't remember the name )

    Craig

  • Don Smith
    Don Smith

    I have all the reprints of the watchtower distributed by the Chicago bible students from July 1879 to Dec.1 1916 and it was primarily what I read in these volumes in conjuction with Ray Franz books that helped me see the big picture of the intrigue, the infighting, that culminated in accusations that Russells wife being accussed of trying to take over as editor of the WT when in fact she was as ,Russell was tourring the Pryramids feeling they contained information on the end times.

    On his return his wife and the Bethel family were disturbed by the pryramid factor and because it was a man thing she was dumped and the marriage terminated admidst allegations of molestation.

    The big turning point came as i see it was when Rutherford launched his campgain to unite all the splinter groups ,bible students , Russellites,etc.at the 1931 JW convention in Columbus Ohio,where 15,000 associates adopted a resolutoin embracing the new name.Then came the real clincher when he tied in the 2,300 days prophecy would be victorious. Quote "This was to mark the cleaning out from the congregation those called "elective elders"who have been elected to an office in a democratic fashion" Another resolution was forthcoming stateing in part " That, to the end that our service may be orderly WE WILL SELECT SOME OF THE COMPANY TO PERFORM SPECIFIC SERVICE. That is why the WTS now appoints elders in the local congregations.But is this legal in accordance the law of the land. See JWS in the divine purpose book pages 126-127

    I just received a copy of the annual statement-nonprofit corporation of the State of Pennsylvania from an xjw by the name of Joseph Reed who has investigated the congregations procedures in conformity to state or provincial law. Following are his thoughts and comments.

    How many of us were aware that the bylaws require that each cong. hold" General Annual Meetings" for the election of officers, their names and titles and the annual statement is signed by a duly authorized officer thereof.

    Here is the enigma :Are persons who are "appointed", by an outside corporation into positions of administration within the Cong. and call themselves ELDERS ,committing a crime by posing themselves off to the Pennsylvania Department of State,as being duly authorized officers of the JW Cong? Being that the Cong,have not voted them in as Cong. President, Secretary and Treasurer,for which latter officers, Pennsylvania Law requires a Congregational VOTE?

    A further Enigma :Is the Watch Tower Society committing a crime by instructing its "appointees", its Elders ,to assume to themselves the titles such as President,Secretary and Treasurer of the incorporated JW Cong.,when those such Elders have not been lawfully voted in by the incorporated Cong.Membership? But by Elder vote only?

    In closeing, on a lighter note can you recall being notified by the Secretary to attend the G.A.M.for the election of officers in accordance with the law ?

    Don Smith

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