Password using another language, or mixed languages?

by FatFreek 2005 8 Replies latest social entertainment

  • FatFreek 2005
    FatFreek 2005

    I just tried something in Windows 10 and it worked (I think).

    I went to the Google online free translator, entered a couple english words, then translated them into Russian.

    The two words I entered are Russian English

    The translator returned русский английский

    I then used those words together as a password for a Libre Office Word junk document, saved the document. Then, I used those two Russian words русский английский and opened the document. Success!

    I'm curious how far this technique will go, and will it help make a document more secure. For example, how about one word in Russian and the other in Arabic?

    Your thoughts?

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Well using foreign words or foreign alphabets for you pw will make those documents more secure from English speaking hackers.

    I'd suggest being a bit more inventive with your passwords.

    'russkiy angliskiy' would be quite easy for a Russian speaker to hack, I think.

    Also, how about adding capital letters (granted, Arabic script has no capitals but Cyrillic does), numbers and signs?

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister

    I agree with LUHE it won't make it harder for Foreign speaking hackers?

    Mixing languages is probably good, but I always thought a mixture of capitals, symbols and numbers are considered stronger??

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    This might be a good technique for preventing a casual attempt of someone trying to guess your password. It would not be particularly useful at preventing a more thorough attempt to compromise an account using dictionary lists or other more advanced algorithms.

    It's not clear why you're surprised that you could use a combination of characters as a password that happens to represent words in another language.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Another thing: Russian and Arabic, like English, are world languages spoken by hundreds of million of people. Wouldn't a more obscure language provide a stronger PW?

    So, I went on YouTube and typed 'learn Faroese' into the search bar. Faroese is very obscure - it's not even on Google Translate and only 50,000 people speak it. Outsiders don't know it. I selected orsaka meg (excuse me).

    Here's a fairly strong PW: OrsakaMeg1986!

    Here's an even stronger PW because the capitals and exclamation mark are completely random: orSakamEg26!07

    So, if you choose a PW based on Faroese nobody will guess it ... apart from me 😉

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    The best passwords these days are passphrases with mixed case and non-alphanumeric characters.

    I personally use 24-32 character passphrases, with combination of character sets. A passphrase is easy to remember, it’s a sentence you modify into a password.

    However, document passwords often are pointless and are not secure at all, the implementation of document passwords makes it very easy to crack the password regardless of length, you are better off encrypting the document with something like PGP.

    Here is the reason for passphrases, note that even 34,000 years is not considered secure enough, this halves every 18 months and you can just “rent” thousands of computers on Amazon or the Dark Web. You need something that take millions of years to crack.


  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    I use Bitwarden to manage my passwords. I can generate passwords up to 128 characters.

    Imagine trying to crack this:

    ygccF$u9Am8VVeAOeB1cAmEl%lDWi3Z6chC!0N1T5iVy8XOM%hfjR7rMh0$!0hM8@zG$zJ3IYGW#UEg9q1o%*Yp8$8gRTSdh0Xc$4j9^F%TP!e9NsCCTD&mM0@*Zuvy$

  • FatFreek 2005
    FatFreek 2005

    Anony Mous

    Your tip of PGP is interesting.

    I entered the phrase mary had a little lamb and the following came back:

    -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

    Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.76

    Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto

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    Hx0PVXopOEWvU3e7krNld+ZjPEhTmPrrUlsYZf6V4wl92evsyMVUzgp/oqAKwhY/

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    u2pP1UapPFbSWy639uH/irAdFUlYdhFswe5RABEBAAHNKkxlb25hcmQgUiBNaWxs

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    CQcDFQoIAh4BAheAAxYCAQIZAQUJAAAAAAAKCRCZxIqBBXdfFokTB/9q5iVfyrL/

    PYqu+r+QvLTHeBBEQVJlbGUwWKu0BzDuqVP5uGuy1eyEbH3qZg9BRuz2VcpwDqd0

    2nuyTD2N2dnQSO7C7pvr/7wn/Lw6Kzuu80p6KJzl4bUqjx5rIrcjzVeJIa0qn4jP

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    ZW+sdo2Qc0KYWymH+CouuzuJ9aei5mV8x9bfABKz1ARf96vF6+lqwnf8XM8EYaKq

    cGCOZij2THASgZ7eD44DAOFHGFG4TPMmT+8fdTRED/YpjrHlUTzdau57ZTrAdfzL

    WnXg6huRYXjN1e4PNFgLfPHAzoDLhCQyo2dOxlh0CrK4L9tBtazV7AiKP146bA27

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    =Mj5U

    -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

  • FatFreek 2005
    FatFreek 2005

    The STATISTA chart is overwhelming. What puzzles me, however, is how a system would allow a mass number of tries before rejecting any more attempts. One of my devices lets me use 5 attempts and I'd be locked out. How some systems would allow more than a dozen tries is beyond my pea-sized brain.

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