WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOD TRANSFERRED JESUS LIFE TO MARY PER WTS

blondie

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-31-09 WT Study (March 15, 2009, pages 24-28)(RIGHTEOUS FOREVER)

Q 2. What are two miracles Jehovah performed out of love?

2. Lovingly, Jehovah provided a perfect solution. How so? First, by performing the miracle of transferring the life of his beloved heavenly Son to the womb of a virgin so that he could be born as a perfect human (Luke 1:30-35) Then, after Jesus' enemies put him to death, Jehovah performed
another outstanding miracle. God raised Jesus back to life as a glorious spirit creature.--1 Pet 3:18.

So what SCRIPTURAL PROOF is there that God "transferred" Jesus life to the womb of a virgin. Based on the WTS view of artificial insemination, wouldn't Mary have been guilty of a) fornication since the "sperm" was not Joseph's or b) adultery (since she was engaged)?

APPARENTLY

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*** w02 3/15 p. 19 Questions From Readers ***Conception requires that an egg become fertile. Apparently, Jehovah God caused an ovum in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transferal of the life of his only-begotten Son from the spirit realm to earth.—Galatians 4:4.

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*** w81 6/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
In this case the sperm and the egg came from husband and wife. This is noteworthy from the Biblical standpoint. Why? Because of a law God gave to the ancient Israelites: “You must not give your emission as semen to the wife of your associate to become unclean by it.” (Lev. 18:20, 29) That law was given when modern artificial insemination and “test-tube-” baby procedures were not available; yet it does indicate God’s thinking.
From the Bible we must conclude that if conception is accomplished with the sperm and an egg not from husband and wife, it would amount to adultery or fornication. The Scriptures leave no doubt as to God’s view of such: “God will judge fornicators and adulterers.” (Heb. 13:4; Matt. 19:9)

And then what about surrogate mothers? Wasn't that the arrangement with Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar?

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*** w84 8/15 p. 26 Insight on the News ***

Surrogate Mothers
A case of human artificial insemination was recorded as long ago as 1799. But in recent years this has come to be more widely practiced. According to The New York Times, a woman who is artificially inseminated and bears a child for another woman, as a substitute for her, is called a surrogate mother. The infertile wife and her husband agree to this arrangement, and when the surrogate mother gives birth the baby is adopted by the couple. The sperm in this case could be from the husband of the couple or from another donor.

Although such an arrangement may be approved by many in the world, the Christian rightfully asks whether it is in harmony with God’s laws. The Bible, at Leviticus 18:20, is clear on this point when it says: “You must not give your emission as semen to the wife of your associate to become unclean by it.” Artificial insemination of a woman by a donor other than her legal husband, makes her guilty of adultery, a sin against God. (Deuteronomy 5:18) The sperm donor and the surrogate woman have not been yoked together by God in matrimony.—Matthew 19:4-6.

TonusOH

"Biblical proof" or "scriptural proof" is a misnomer; the Bible makes claims. Proof or evidence must be sought out if one seeks to validate (or invalidate) those claims.

In any case, this level of navel-gazing is fascinating to me. As if we're supposed to be concerned that god, when he caused a magical conception, made sure not to break any of the laws that he had given to the Israelites. The method is also of no real interest, save for the fact that it makes this claim impossible to corroborate. God could have waited for Joseph and Mary to wed and bed, and then replaced the fertile egg with one that contained his godly essence. He could have waited until their child was of a certain age, then transferred the child's soul to heaven and infused the body with his own intellect. And so on.

It's academic, in light of what god wanted to accomplish. If the important thing was to preach the word of the new covenant and then sacrifice his life as a ransom for humanity, that could have been done in any of a number of ways. After all, the whole thing was being set up so that god could pay a debt to himself on behalf of humanity. He could have accomplished the very same thing by simply saying "you're all off the hook." The flair for the (gruesomely) dramatic made for a bit of drama (and a very graphic film by Mel Gibson) but was unnecessary.

Phizzy

What is amusing about this Story in the Gospels is, it is based upon a mistranslation by the Gospel Writers ! They only understood Greek, not Hebrew, so used a Copy of the Septuagint.

The Translators of the Septuagint translated the word for "Maiden" in Hebrew, which means a young woman. married or not, as "Virgin" in the Greek !

Hence, we have the Myth of the Virgin Birth, from some sloppy translating work !

Beth Sarim

Hey. It's Monday.

I wasnt' sure where to upload Stacey's video. But here it is.

Enjoy!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZHRmijeu9g

Beth Sarim

Id like to see Stacy some day.

Great voice.

Good to see a face reveal someday.

Beth Sarim

An observation from this video.

In Deuteronomy,,Moses passes away and I believe he doesn't make it to the "promised land"

The NWT,,or it is claimed Moses wrote the pentateuc or the first 5 books of the bible.

If this is the case,,how can Moses talk about his own death? And talks about where he is burried. How can someone talk about their own death and where they're burried?

Since the Borg claims the Bible is Divine inspired,,,this is where the headaches from cognitive dissonance kick in.

Before you lay your life on the line,,,,like for a deadly blood policy,,,consider,,is this from a Bible which is Divine inspired?? Or just from a bunch of grifters making man-made rules as they go along?

TonusOH

I may be wrong (it has been many years) but I think the "All Scriptures" book explained that Joshua completed the writing of Deuteronomy after Moses' death.

But I am pretty sure that they believe it was Moses who described himself as the most humble man on Earth.

Beth Sarim

When you see such eronious passages in the Bible,,it begs the question;; How can people put their lives on the line? Especially when it comes to a deadly blood doctrine?

When the life you are experiencing right now,,this very day is the only guaranteed life you have.

As opposed to something perpetually '''soon"" or ""near"". Something which may happen someday.

Acluetofindtheuser

He transferred Michael's consciousness into the brain of Jesus on the day of his baptism just like what is done in the Netflix series Travelers. Or did Michael get downloaded when Jesus died because that's when the show does it to people fated to die.

Fisherman

wouldn't Mary have been guilty of a) fornication since the "sperm" was not Joseph's or b) adultery (since she was engaged)?

According to the Bible, Mary became pregnant by the HOLY Spirit. Also, there was no sexual relations involved with organs.

Boggles the mind God’s greatness who could have easily selected any single female but God chose Mary and didn’t intervene by not having her get engaged to Joseph.

Also, a single pregnant by the Holy Spirit woman would be ostracized besides nobody would marry her in that malelish society back then. And, Jesus needed a step for obvious reasons. One reason is for the “legal right” to the throne of David.—Isn’t God magnificent?

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOD TRANSFERRED JESUS LIFE TO MARY PER WTS

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