What exactly is "origins are pagan" ? so what isn't pagan ? Who were they ?

by run dont walk 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • run dont walk
    run dont walk

    I'm sure we have all heard this comment millions and millions of times.

    "oh, we don't do that because its pagan origin"

    whether it be Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, Birthdays, etc etc.

    So WHO exactly were the pagans and when and where did they live ???

    They must have been worse then Sodom and Gomorrah.

    So what things are pagan that the JW's may not think are ???????

    Ok, they all agree about,Christmas etc, and birthday celebrations, clinking of the glasses at weddings.

    but what about ???????

    1) honeymoons ???

    2) sporting events ???

    3) wedding anniversaries (is any different then a birthday) ???

    4) drinking alcohol ???

    5) sexual acts ???

    6) being gay ???

    7) prescription drugs ???

    8) dining out and having a good time ???

    9) talking/sitting with people of the opposite sex ??? (big no no at meetings)

    10) taking vacations ???

    I guess they draw the line wherever they feel like it, what else is new ???

    what do you all think ???

    and what things do you think should be added to the JW list of pagan activities ???

  • Francois
    Francois

    The JWs just pick and choose among the many thousands of things they can label "pagan" and look the other way for the rest.

    The names of the days of the week and the months of the year are of pagan origin.

    Many of the ritual events in a wedding are of direct pagan origin, and I'm speaking of events that the JWs continue to engage in. The wedding party for instance was intended to hide the identity of the bride and groom from the "demons." Same with the veil. You'd think the JWs would be in favor of that. The placement of the ring third finger, left is pagan.

    Many of the ritual events in funerals also are of direct pagan origin, but again the JWs are up to their necks in them. Tombstones come from the pagan belief that if you did not pile stones on a corpse, the "demons" would come out of the deceased to haunt the village and otherwise cause problems. Tying up the corpse in a shroud served much the same purpose.

    How long would you like this post to be? There are literally thousands of things of pagan origin that the JWs continue to practice. Their insistence on not practicing some things has nothing to do with spiritual security, it's got to do with measuring their degree of control over you as an individual.

    Who were the pagans? They were merely the country folk in any given territory. As the Catholic Church spread from Rome out into the countryside, it did battle with the beautiful nature cults of the native peoples. If the so called "pagans" did not convert to Catholicism, they were murdered by the church. And thus, it was left to the victors to write the history of those times, of those times of conversion of the country folk to Catholicism.

    And the Catholics did what the victors always do: they lied about the nature and character of those country nature religions. If the Catholic Church said they ate babies for breakfast at pagan sunrise ceremonies, who was there to refute them? It doesn't take much imagination to see what the Catholic Church did to the reputation of those beautiful, gentle, nature-oriented religions of the people.

    Those "pagan" religions were much more beautiful and, I dare say, much more accurate than was the Catholic Church. For instance, there is no female Godforce in the Christian Church. But in Wicca, there is both a male and a female godforce, and these two forces are combined in The All. The "pagans" worshipped at night and they had fires so they could see, not so they could roast humans alive as the church would have it. They worshipped the changes of the sun and moon in various seasons. They had ceremonies for the spring and fall equinoxes and for the summer and winter solstices. And the Catholics followed right along with parties of their own during these times and called them something else. For instance the spring or vernal equinox is the Christian Easter. And on and on and on like that.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses are plainly just full of shit. They're as pagan as the statue-venerating Catholics, but in their own way. See? This could never be a perfect world for me, because in a perfect world those god damn Jehovah's Witnesses would not be in it. Lying Bastards.

  • talesin
    talesin

    i'm sure someone will correct me if i am wrong (and many thanks to you in advance), but i believe that 'pagan' is the term the jw's use to identify anything/anyone they feel is a non-christian activity/sect/thinking. kinda like the rc's during the inquisition.

    as far as to what activities should be added to the list of what they consider pagan. well, very little (if none) of what they say is based on logic, so i would not be able to offer any opinion as to what they may consider 'pagan' from day-to-day. to some elders, having a moustache is pagan. and you may ask - "DO I CARE?" to which i would reply resoundingly "GDit, NO!!!!!"

    btw, i have some friends who identify themselves as 'pagan'. they consider it to mean that one follows a type of worship that involves the earth and the 'goddess' (ie, celebrating solstice, wicca and other ancient rituals and religions of pre-christian or other-than-christian people).

  • simplesally
    simplesally

    [Middle English, from Late Latin pcountry-dweller, civilian, from pcountry, rural district. See pag- in Indo-European Roots.]

    In actuality, since pagans were the country dwellers, as opposed to living in the city, they were always the last to be converted. Paganus was not a derogatory term rather it simply meant you were living out in the country........the boon-docks, so to speak. Since the others became Christianized first, the term pagan came to be employed as those who weren't yet converted.

    The term heathen has similar roots. Haiþnô literally means dweller on the heath. So the original sense is remarkably the same as the modern sense, someone living beyond the bounds of civilization and who has not received the word of God.

  • run dont walk
    run dont walk

    Francois, I like the tombstones, that was good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    "How long would you like this post to be? There are literally thousands of things of pagan origin that the JWs continue to practice. Their insistence on not practicing some things has nothing to do with spiritual security, it's got to do with measuring their degree of control over you as an individual."

    Oh and by the way, make the post as long as you wish

    thanks

  • Gordy
    Gordy

    In line with Simplesally above.

    I remember reading that anyone not a Christian was a pagan.

    This was based on the verse in 2 Tim 2:3,4

    " As a fine soldier of Christ Jesus take your part in suffering evil. No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial buisnesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier."

    Therefore a Christian was a soldier of Christ not a civilian, that is, not a "paganus"

  • Ravyn
    Ravyn

    to a JW everything in existence before 1879; and since then, everything that is outside of the Borg's realm of influence and acceptance which changes with 'new light' every few years----is pagan.

    Pagan is everything beautiful and rich and cultural and colorful and worthwhile.

    Ravyn, I love being pagan.

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