How much do CO's make?

Smyler

How much money do CO's make? Our CO is coming this week, I'm just going on Sunday, so I was just thinking.

They have a very small allowance given to them. They usually have a vehicle that is given to them at no charge, along with gas.... then monies for food, clothing. Not much at all... just enough to get by on.

My advice to you is to not even bother going to the meeting, stay at home and watch football. You'll be a lot happier!

Shamus

JT

officially they get $20 a pc hubby and wife--- was the last figures i am aware of

unofficially i have heard up to $70,000 a yr- but that was due to serving some congo where the bro layed out cash

i know personally i saw a bethel speaker in the DO office at Crownsville assembly hall be given an evelope with $500- it was what 9 bro put together just among themselves in the DO office, they passed the hat and that was the total, - his name was John Williams a truly dynamic speaker-- AKA -- baptist preacher style--

i got dogged cause i didn't put no cash in- i told them guys THIS AIN'T THE WAY we don't pass a hat- if you want to give him something then do it, but to put folks on the spot is not the "arrangement"

i got dogged anyway for being over righteous-

now how much he made from the friends out in the audience i have no idea ,but i do now this during his talk he had folks crying and he was down for a 2 day- us on sat and the other side of the circuit on sunday

hey look at JR Brown he makes $90 amonth and drives a Q45

just thought you might find this REPOST on G-Jobbing fits this thread as well:

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What is G-JOBBING___

It is called Government work- it refers to GOV employees being lazy and just getting a check

well it has to do with bethelites being too lazy to go out and get a real job so we do side jobs to make money while at bethel

and you can make alot if you are in the right "Trade" electrician, plumber, tile setter, roofer, etc and it is all tax free

the Congo in NYC would pay you to work on their halls since most jw in NY are white collar and not tradesmen

we even did work for NONJW- using WT tools , supplies and Trucks and since it was always at COST it was cheap --can you imagine what it would cost to rent a FLATBED truck in NYC to hall Dry wall 2 blocks- smile

all you needed to do was to get the guys who worked in that dept to requisition it under their name- they didn't even need to be there , but they would get their cut- lot of Elders headed up these work teams

so we would use the buying power of the Society to get these supplies for halls and bro in there home many times

some guys were clearing $3,000 a month tax free- bethel has cracked down on it by requiring you to sign a VOW OF POVERTY which is a form from the IRS saying you will not do any side jobs-

also the waiters did lots of G-JOBBING if anyone has been to bethel for lunch they are always impressed with how over 6000, folks can be served in less than 20min- well this is were the waiters come in at

folk like to use the bethelites at thier weddings to serve their guest

and if you are talking references just watch the mothers and fathers who have daugthers getting married in a few weeks come up to you afterward and ask you to do thier kids wedding

so the money rolls in beside everyone figures who BETTER TO HELP THAN THE LOWLY BETHELITES

smile

the BREAKER was some guys did a job and the person filed for it on his taxes --of course the IRS wants to know who do we get our money from

well I'd be Damn-- if it ain't some guys who is suppose to be living off $90.00 a month smile

so the society got involved and shut down most of the best money making jobs-

from what I understand you can still do it but you have to go through a lot of hoops

so many guys were missing meetings on the weekend and wiped out on Monday that flags started going up- we had this old nurse Called Sophie ----all my god she would worry you to death if you called in sick on a MONDAY were you out late Sunday night- what time did you get in, etc

old bag man

we had a plumbing job that was bidded out by a Congo in Queens with UNION NYC plumbers that was for $32,000, $36,000 and there was another bid price

so the elders asked the bethelites could we do it- it was a complete job from the street to the inside of the hall to toilets and sinks and tile job

well we could not ask for a set price but only tell the elders WHATEVER YOU BROTHERS WANTED TO GIVE US

well they presented it to the Congo and they came back with $25,000 offer and it would be just 5 of us and they would supply all the manual labor through the local bros.

we are talking $5,000 a piece - no taxes -in a weekend baby with a few follow up days to clean up any leftovers

one of the guys was a MASTER PLUMBER SO HE always got the permits we needed from the city- due to the large amount we got cold feet so we talked with Ralph Walls about it and he told us we needed to consider how would it look with that sum of cash in 2days of work- where in fact it would have been no work at all since we would have merely been overseeing the local guys doing all the digging of the trenches SMILE HEY YOU GOT TO LOVE IT MAN

so we turned it down- DAMN I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT

there is one guy and some of the bethelites on the net know this guy he ran the ROOFING DEPT as the overseer and was (REMOVED FROM THAT JOB FOR THIS REASON) and since all the roofs in NYC on the halls are flat--they are always leaking due to water standing on them

well he would take SOME OF his crew and knock out a roof over a weekend and man he was clocking over 3K amonth, not bad considering you don't have any expenses

but the most famous G -JOBBER OF ALL TIME WAS a bro from out of Texas if I'm correct- any bethelites here will correct me if I'm wrong on the state he is from

any way his name was James (JIM) Spencer he was the photography overseer and he had access to the society's $Million dollar cameras and film and processing equipment and he used to shoot WEDDINGS ON THE WEEKEND- hey like I said YOU GOT TO LOVE IT

NOW CK THIS OUT I had a buddy who was in on the deal-- he worked at the Stanley theater- that is the most expensive assembly hall in the wt arsenal of assembly hall probably

you all know it --the million dollar chandelier- anyway one of my boys was assigned as a keeper when they used bethelites---- now they have a pioneer couple over there --old Ricketts and he is a LITTLE HUSTLER as well

anyway Jim would arrange to use the assembly hall to take couples pictures

and I tell you-- to have your wife coming down the GRAND STAIRCASE IN HER GOWN hey man we are talking GONE WITH THE WIND TYPE STUFF

well my boy could have folks over to the assembly hall after hours as long as they were his guests

man he didn't even know some of the couples

so Spencer would kick him a little "SOMETHING -SOMETHING" SMILE

anyway old Spencer got caught not reimbursing the Society for the equipment and since he was the Overseer of the dept no one really questioned what he was working on late at night

hey it was not your latest mag cover shot- smile

so the "Shit hit the fan" and my man was BUSTED DOWN FROM PHOTO OVERSEER

to working the Bindery lines in the leather gold bible section

it was so embarrassing cause about a month after he got SHAFTED we had an Open tour of the factory were the office guys and the home guys could come over to the factory and see how the book and mags are made

and you guessed it ---my man James Spencer is right on the tour route and all the office guys are walking through laughing their a$$ off at him sitting there sweating with a tee shirt and blue jeans on.

his roommate was Robbie Vela from Hawaii the big island ---he worked upstairs in the bindery on the hardback line and he told us that Spencer would come home from work when he worked in photo dept and there would be TICKETS FOR him to fly to Japan or Rome or anywhere in the world just to take a couple of rolls of film and fly back

man we are talking about living the good life- he flew almost as much as the guys with UPI or AP wire guys

single man living the life and since he was the PO in his hall up in the Bronx he had the best of both worlds in the local hall and at the big house

from what I understand HE MADE A KILLING

well it is now bed time and no more bethel stories until later

smile

James

PS this is the last one it's too good to let pass

now i earned my money when i was at bethel others don't

as you all know by now the spokesman for the wt is a guy named JR Brown as a black man we use to call the the Society's Louis Farrakan

the most powerful speaker every to Grace a wt mike esp in the black community

well anyway he is ACES with larry Graham and larry is always hooking him up along with 1000's of his fans

anyway when he bought his new car alot of the Heavies and i don't mean to get racial,but some of the White boys were not happy

As they would say in the black Hood ""This Negro went out and bought a $45,000 car"

my man drives a top of the line fully loaded "Q45"

now go figure how you and i can do that off $90.00 a month

YOU TO TO LOVE IT

RationalWitness

Senior Member

Posts: 158

Since: Mar 16, 2001 Re: What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites????????? Jun 18, 2001 12:13

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James,

I LOVE IT! Yeah, I remember all the guys 'g-jobbing' back in the 60's and 70's. I never did (not because I didn't want to, but because I was not connected--and those who had the jobs weren't about to let me know of them.) Even in the offices there were what amounted to g-jobs even if they weren't called that. A couple of bros in the Service Department were always forming group-buying circles, with the organizer getting a hefty discount on the latest electronic gear. One even started a multi-level-marketing scheme selling "Slender Now!" inside and outside Bethel. I used to wonder how such supposed 'spiritual giants' could be so involved in making material gain off their brothers.

Thanks for reminding me of the materialistic side of Bethel life. From what I've seen and heard, the "vow of poverty" is a joke (a tax ploy?). One local elder recently bragged to me about having paid a Bethel computer 'expert' to set up his office network.

Cheers,

Rational

Edited by - RationalWitness on 18 June 2001 12:14:11

jschwehm

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Posts: 127

Since: Mar 27, 2000 Re: What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites????????? Jun 18, 2001 12:15

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Hi-

When I was at Bethel they had just started the vow of poverty thing. It used to be that they paid Bethelites 14.00 a month and of course that was not nearly enough to make it to your congregation. When they upped the allowance to 80.00 a month they supposedly did it to stop all of the "G-jobbing" but it still went on. It was my experience that most of the best G-jobbers were the ones who were overseers. They had access to the equipment as you describe and their authority was usually unchecked.

Many of the Bethelites who used to do pretty well money wise with G-Jobbing were supremely ticked off when certain overseers would not allow them to accept jobs and then these same overseers would take the same jobs. It was a case of the fox guarding the chicken coop if you know what I mean.

Those of you who see the double standards of the WTS at the congregation level have not seen anything until you have been to Bethel and experienced the politics, etc. of that place.

Jeff S.

chester

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Posts: 151

Since: Apr 8, 2001 Re: What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites????????? Jun 18, 2001 12:49

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That is amazing!!

I would never have guessed it.

Chester

JT

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Posts: 1843

Since: Jan 2, 2001 G--JOBBING Jun 18, 2001 12:58

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James,

. One even started a multi-level-marketing scheme selling "Slender Now!" inside and outside Bethel.

i never heard about that one i guess the boys in the office could keep stuff under raps bettter than we could

kinda hard to hide a Flatbed truck sitting in front of 124 with Drywall on the back

smile

Thanks for reminding me of the materialistic side of Bethel life.

###### hey only ROOMBIDDING WAS WORST -- i recall this Heavies wife saying :

"We need an EAST River view from our room."

i love it

From what I've seen and heard, the "vow of poverty" is a joke (a tax ploy?). One local elder recently bragged to me about having paid a Bethel computer 'expert' to set up his office network.

I agree it has proved to be a joke- this one guy who works in the Barber shop his name will not be used SMILE

HIS Wife is a software programmer and sister girl used to g-job at night over on Wall street for $95.00 and hour at some investment firm back in 98-99 ---not bad considering she was making in 1 hour what others were making all month

only at the HOUSE OF GOD

JT

[ Profile Above ] Re: What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites????????? Jun 18, 2001 13:07

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. It used to be that they paid Bethelites .., a month and of course that was not nearly enough to make it to your congregation.

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MY WIFE COULD NEVER figure this one out= they give you $90.00 and you have to use half of it to get to thier meetings

instead of giving you a Travel allowance in conjuction with the 90 they made you use it instead

cold bloodied dudes man

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It was my experience that most of the best G-jobbers were the ones who were overseers. They had access to the equipment as you describe and their authority was usually unchecked.

####you hit the nail on the head with the above#######

Many of the Bethelites who used to do pretty well money wise with G-Jobbing were supremely ticked off

######ticked off ain't even the word#######

. It was a case of the fox guarding the chicken coop if you know what I mean.

######yes they are indeed guarding the house######

chester:

the life of a bethelite is very interesting indeed

james

Maximus

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Posts: 746

Since: May 28, 2001 Re: What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites????????? Jun 18, 2001 13:13

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Stop it, stop it! I'm laughing so hard I'm crying!

G-jobbing has a long and distinguished history, over many decades. The principal linotype operator used to moonlight at the NY Times at night and made a tidy fortune over many years. Don't get me started. Carpentry and bindery were the worst.

JT has given you a rare look at how life really is at Bethel. He is telling it EXACTLY like it is.

Now JT, quit ragging on my gal Sophie. She was a sweetheart whose motherly instincts knew no bounds.

RW is only touching the tip of the iceburg. CW still has the buying group going, RW. Was a hallowed custom for certain Service overseers to sun themselves on the rooftop and miss lunch--and sharing the Wall Street Journal and financial reports from the Times.

If you go to Brooklyn Bethel today as a businessman/elder/heavy, I guarantee you the first question long-time members will ask you about is the stock market. They just assume that everyone outside has some inside info or hot tip. Mutual buying groups. Bloomberg and all that.

This can really be disillusioning to new boys. That's why the article on Bethel service says to ask yourself the question, am I easily offended? Do others find me easy to get along with?

Thanks for the memories ...

Maximus

VM44

How is Maximus? Hope he is well. His posts were very good.

Remember the Witnesses saying they have "no paid clergy"? Well, the overseers ARE paid, not much, but paid nontheless. So the JWs cannot say they have no paid clergy class

Unless they say "We do not use the word 'clergy'"!

--VM44

core

Whats a "Q45" ??

rocketman

look at JR Brown he makes $90 amonth and drives a Q45

This is the thing one has to remember about these guys - the freebies they get are worth a lot of money. Many people never own and drive the cars that these guys get to lease, plus insurance is paid. Health is covered too. Not a bad deal.

95stormfront

Whats a "Q45" ??

A Q45 is a very high end luxury car built by Infiniti, a division of Nissan Motors..

On the allowance they are said to be getting, there is no way any official in the WT should be able to afford a car like that.

Mary

How much do CO's make?

Why, they make Everlasting Life of course!

Yerusalyim

I'd thought more than once, what a sweet deal it would be for me, retire from the military, and either go to Bethel, or move up in the Congregation and become a CO. My $2000 a month retirement, plus all the freebies of Bethel Service or being a CO. Every time a CO visits a Congo they generally pass him off a few bucks in an envelope; people fawning all over you, taking you out to dinner, etc etc etc. Oh well, I can't belong to an organization I don't believe in.

Special K

Hey smyler

Good question you asked.. It looks like you have alot of responses

Enjoy your posts.

Special K

How much do CO's make?

Smyler

shamus

JT

VM44

core

rocketman

95stormfront

Mary

Yerusalyim

Special K

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