Contested Presidential elections, Political parties, and Human Nature.

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  • pistolpete
    pistolpete

    Whether it’s a Republican or a Democrat that will become President, one thing to keep in mind is the winner regardless of his political affiliation- is still human. And as a human, we can be selfless, altruistic, self-sacrificing, rational, and merciful, and at the same time we can be malicious, unforgiving, a moral hypocrite, dehumanize certain groups of people, and worse of all, have psychopathic traits.

    So the best we can do is research the policies of “Both” political parties, figure out what polices each party is planning to implement, determine which policies will be for our benefit, and which policies will harm us. With that information all we can do is make a calculated guess on who is the right political party to vote for------and accept the fact that a great number of people will NEVER RESEARCH the policies that affect their life. They will vote based on what Hollywood stars, the Media, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and other groups of people -----say who you should vote for.

    Now this is not the first time the Presidential election has been contested?

    As much as I want Trump to win, I don’t think it will happen. Reason being is what happens when someone alleges that John the part time children’s clown is a serial killer. ---John starts hiding the bodies.

    I have no doubt that at this moment, some of the Democrats in the contested States are busy hiding the evidence. Sometimes criminals get caught----sometimes they don’t. Only time will tell the end results for who grabs the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, because looking at the media to determine who is winning is fruitless and a waste of time.

    If Trump or Biden refuse to concede, it won’t be the first time claims of fraud in the election.

    The elections of 1876, 1888, 1960 and 2000 were also marked with claims of fraud. Other elections had some different problems of criminality that I won’t discuss here.

    This information was taken from several articles. And of course like all past history, someone has a different story to tell.

    1876: A compromise that came at a price

    11 years after the end of the Civil War, the Confederate Sates had been readmitted to the Union, and Reconstruction was in full swing. The Republicans were strongest in the pro-Union areas of the North and African-American regions of the South, while Democratic support merged around southern whites and northern areas that had been less supportive of the Civil War. That year, Republicans nominated Ohio Gov. Rutherford B. Hayes, and Democrats chose New York Gov. Samuel Tilden.

    But on Election Day, there was widespread voter intimidation against African-American Republican voters throughout the South. Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina. In those three states, some initial results seemed to indicate Tilden victories. But due to widespread allegations of intimidation and fraud, the election boards invalidated enough votes to give their electoral votes of those three states to Republican Hayes. Hayes WON with 185 -184 majority in the Electoral College.

    Competing sets of election returns and electoral votes were sent to Congress to be counted in January 1877, so Congress voted to create a bipartisan commission of 15 members of Congress and Supreme Court justices to determine how to allocate the electors from the three disputed states. Seven commissioners were to be Republican, seven were to be Democrats, and there would be one independent, Justice David Davis of Illinois.

    But in a political scheme that backfired, Davis was chosen by Democrats in the Illinois state legislature to serve in the U.S. Senate. Senators weren’t chosen by voters until 1913. They’d hoped to win his support on the electoral commission. Instead, Davis resigned from the commission and was replaced by Republican Justice Joseph Bradley, who proceeded to join an 8-7 Republican majority that awarded all the disputed electoral votes to Hayes.

    Democrats decided not to argue with that final result due to the “Compromise of 1877,” in which Republicans, in return for getting Hayes in the White House, agreed to an end to Reconstruction and military occupation of the South.

    Now this is an important that the majority of African- Americans are not aware of regarding the Democratic party.

    The compromise ended up destroying any semblance of African-American political clout in the South. For the next 100 years, southern legislatures, free from northern supervision, would implement laws discriminating against blacks and restricting their ability to vote. And Hayes only had a one-term presidency. ---Was it worth it???

    1888: Bribing blocks of five

    In 1888, Democratic President Grover Cleveland of New York ran for reelection against former Indiana U.S. Sen. Benjamin Harrison.

    Back then, election ballots in most states were printed, distributed by political parties and cast publicly. Certain voters, known as “floaters,” were known to sell their votes to willing buyers. ---(Question, if after researching both parties, and you decided to vote for Trump or Biden, would you sell your vote for $2,000 dollars? How about $5,000. How about $?????-------Human Nature!)

    Harrison had appointed an Indiana lawyer, William Wade Dudley, as treasurer of the Republican National Committee. Shortly before the election, Dudley sent a letter to Republican local leaders in Indiana with promised funds and instructions for how to divide receptive voters into “blocks of five” to receive bribes in exchange for voting the Republican ticket. The instructions outlined how each Republican activist would be responsible for five of these “floaters.”

    Democrats got a copy of the letter and publicized it widely in the days leading up to the election. Harrison ended up winning Indiana by only about 2,000 votes but still would have won in the Electoral College without the state.

    Cleveland actually won the national popular vote by almost 100,000 votes. But he lost his home state, New York, by about 1 percent of the vote, putting Harrison over the top in the Electoral College. Cleveland’s loss in New York may have also been related to vote-buying schemes.

    Cleveland did not contest the Electoral College outcome and won a rematch against Harrison four years later, becoming the only president to serve nonconsecutive terms of office. Meanwhile, the blocks-of-five scandal led to the nationwide adoption of secret ballots for voting.

    1960: Did the Daley machine deliver?

    The 1960 election pitted Republican Vice President Richard Nixon against Democratic U.S. Sen. John F. Kennedy. The popular vote was the closest of the 20th century, with Kennedy defeating Nixon by only about 100,000 votes – a less than 0.2 percent difference.

    Because of that national spread – and because Kennedy officially defeated Nixon by less than 1 percent in five states (Hawaii, Illinois, Missouri, New Jersey, New Mexico) and less than 2 percent in Texas – many Republicans cried foul. They fixated on two places in particular – southern Texas and Chicago, where a political machine led by Mayor Richard Daley allegedly churned out just enough votes to give Kennedy the state of Illinois. If Nixon had won Texas and Illinois, he would have had an Electoral College majority.

    Nixon did not contest the results. Following the example of Cleveland in 1892. John Kennedy didn’t finish his term because he was assassinated. There were tons of conspiracies as to who and why he was assassinated. One was that that “Kennedy planned to end the involvement of the United States in Vietnam, and was therefore targeted by those who had an interest in sustained military conflict, including the Pentagon and defense contractors.” Is there any truth in that or some of the other theories? Who knows! But one thing we know for sure,------Nixon ran for president again in 1968 and won.

    2000: The hanging chads

    Most of know what happened with Bush and Gore so no need to go over it.

    And here we are in 2020 and we have another Contested Presidential election. And it won’t be the last.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Voting irregularities must be investigated.

    The Dems need to shut up, stop embarrassing themselves, and allow the investigation to be carried out. With much wailing and gnashing of teeth, they repeatedly refused to accept the 2016 result - 'not my President!!!', lawsuits, impeachment, the lot. Now the current voting irregularities must be investigated.

    Dodgy things may have happened in the past but there's nothing we can do about that. All that can be done is the following:

    1. The current irregularities must be investigated thoroughly and properly.

    2. There must be safeguards so that in future elections, vote fraud is much harder to take place. Mail voting is one main issue. Mail voting should be stopped as much as possible (people who physically can't attend the polling station may be an exception).

    If Joe Biden won the 270 electoral votes cleanly, then good luck to him.

    But at the moment, he hasn't won any position of office, he's not the President, he's not even the 'President Elect'. <----- is this even a thing? lol

  • pistolpete
    pistolpete
    LoveUniHateExams

    Totally agree! The election so far is eroding people's confidence in the election process and the justice system. There has to be an open investigation. We are at a crossroads and the entire world is watching.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L7_Tnkjkh4

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW

    Voting irregularities must be investigated.

    Agreed! Was it not the left that kept clamoring for Trumps' tax returns and spewing the "if you have nothing to hide" crap? If the democrats truly did not commit election fraud they have noting to hide, and therefore no reason to be afraid of an investigation, at least that is the charge they (the democrats for those of you wonder who "they" are) leveled at Trump for the last four years.

    If the investigation shows this up as a legitimate vote, that would solidify their foundation for Buy-dems election would it not?

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    I voted for the first time and realized I didn’t know shit about any of the issues, not really. I think we should require classes to earn the right to vote. That presents challenges as far as who dictates the curriculum of course, but uninformed voting is just dumb...

    DD

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