Watchtower policies Versus the Bible

by UnshackleTheChains 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • UnshackleTheChains
    UnshackleTheChains

    I thought I would run a new kind of topic.

    Watchtower policies versus the bible

    To start off with. Let's say someone is wanting to come back to God having been disfellowshipped for a numbers of years. Let's say they had lived with a partner outside of marriage for a number of years. They wish to come back to God, repent and make amends.

    Below is a section taken from the flock book under the subheading 'Reinstatement'. Following this is the 'lesson' Jesus gave about the prodigal son

    See if you can spot the difference!

    Shepherd the flock of God

    3. The committee should be careful to allow sufficient time, perhaps many months, a year, or even longer, for the disfellowshipped person to prove that his profession of repentance is genuine. (od p. 156j it-2 p. 771) The committee should be especially cautious in some cases. For instance, the wrongdoer may have been deceptive, may have secretly practiced wrongdoing over a long period of time, or may have been repeatedly dealt with judicially in the past for the same or other wrongdoing. Quickly reinstating such a person may embolden others to commit serious sin, as they may feel that little or no discipline will be administered. Where there is evidence of conspiracy between individuals to put away their mates and marry each other, considerable time should elapse for them to prove their repentance and gain reinstatement.-w83 3/15 p. 29.

    Bible


    Luke 15:11-32English Standard Version (ESV)

    The Parable of the Prodigal Son

    11 And he said, “There was a man who had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.’ And he divided his property between them. 13 Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living. 14 And when he had spent everything, a severe famine arose in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to[a] one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs.16 And he was longing to be fed with the pods that the pigs ate, and no one gave him anything.

    17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father's hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me as one of your hired servants.”’ 20 And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’[b] 22 But the father said to his servants,[c] ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. 23 And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.

    25 “Now his older son was in the field, and as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 And he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. 27 And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and sound.’28 But he was angry and refused to go in. His father came out and entreated him,29 but he answered his father, ‘Look, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed your command, yet you never gave me a young goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your property with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him!’ 31 And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 It was fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found.’”

  • zophar
    zophar

    Excellent reasoning.

    The WT Study during the Annual Mtg related the account of Paul and Silas in Acts 16. They pointed out that there were very few Jews in the city. Paragraph 2 stated:

    As Paul sits in the darkness, he contemplates the events of the day. He thinks about the people of Philippi. They do not even have a Jewish synagogue in their city, unlike so many other cities that Paul has visited. In fact, the Jewish worshippers need to gather outside the city gates beside a river. (Acts 16:13, 14) Is this because there are not even ten Jewish males in the city, the number required to form a synagogue? The people of Philippi are obviously very proud of their Roman citizenship, even if it is only a partial or secondary form of citizenship. (Acts 16:21) Could this be why they do not even think it possible that these Jews, Paul and Silas, could be Roman citizens? Whatever the case, here they are, unjustly thrown into prison.

    The account in Acts then shows that when God miraculously set them free that the jailer was about to kill himself the WT says:

    As Paul and Silas sing songs of praise, a series of totally unexpected events occurs. Suddenly, there is a violent earthquake. The doors of the prison are thrown wide open. All the prisoners’ bonds are loosened. Paul stops the jailer from committing suicide. The jailer and his entire family get baptized.

    So they had NO Biblical or Jewish background yet on one night they all get baptized.

    JW teaching, study 2 books, go through questions with elders and then get approved for baptism. Here is some interesting instructions:

    *** w06 4/1 pp. 21-22 pars. 3-4 ‘Go and Make Disciples, Baptizing Them’ ***
    3 To be among those who enjoy that precious relationship with God, one must make a dedication to Jehovah and symbolize it publicly by water baptism. This is in obedience to Jesus’ direct command to his disciples: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:19, 20) The Israelites listened to a reading of “the book of the covenant.” (Exodus 24:3, 7, 8) Thus, they understood their obligations toward Jehovah. Likewise today, an accurate knowledge of God’s will as found in his Word, the Bible, is essential before one takes the step of baptism.
    4 Clearly, Jesus intended for his disciples to have a solid foundation for their faith before they would get baptized. He instructed his followers not only to go and make disciples but also to teach them ‘to observe all the things he had commanded.’ (Matthew 7:24, 25; Ephesians 3:17-19) Therefore, those who qualify for baptism have usually studied the Bible for months or even a year or two, so that their decision is neither hasty nor ill-informed. At the baptism itself, the candidates answer yes to two key questions. Since Jesus emphasized that ‘our Yes should mean Yes, our No, No,’ it will be helpful for all of us to review carefully the significance of these two baptismal questions.—Matthew 5:37.

    So there is another comparison of the Bible and the teachings of JW.



  • venus
    venus

    JWs have unwittingly sided with the older son of the parable

  • UnshackleTheChains
    UnshackleTheChains
    JW teaching, study 2 books, go through questions with elders and then get approved for baptism

    Zophar

    Yep. In jdubland, you gotta jump through hoops on many things. Strict rules that prevent individuals from moving on or at least slows down their progress. It even puts 'many' off.

    It reminds me of the scripture where Jesus accused the religious leaders of his day of shutting up the kingdom before men.

    JWs have unwittingly sided with the older son of the parable

    Venus

    Yep....the GB are like the older brother. Their policy -- 'He wants to come back to our organisation, let him stew first for a year or so. Forget the fattened calf and the red carpet treatment. Bah Humbug'

    Such a policy is indicative of a serious lack of trust toward those who simply want to repent. It fly's in the face of Christian love.


  • pale.emperor
    pale.emperor

    A judicial committee takes place behind closed doors. With no representation for the accused. No witnesses allowed. And the three elders act as judge, jury and executioner.

    And yet, in Watchtower April 1st, 2011:

    The Law that Moses delivered to Israel has been called “the greatest and most enlightened system of jurisprudence ever promulgated.” By Jesus’ day, however, legalistically minded rabbis had added to it a mass of extra-Biblical rules, many of which were later recorded in the Talmud. How did Jesus’ trial measure up to these Biblical and extra-Biblical criteria?

    According to the Mosaic Law, trials were to be held in public. (Deuteronomy 16:18; Ruth 4:1) This, on the other hand, was a secret trial. No one attempted to or was allowed to speak in Jesus’ favor. No examination was made of the merits of Jesus’ claim to Messiahship. Jesus had no opportunity to summon witnesses for his defense. There was no orderly voting among the judges as to guilt or innocence.

  • Sandino
    Sandino
    Yep. In jdubland, you gotta jump through hoops on many things. Strict rules that prevent individuals from moving on or at least slows down their progress. It even puts 'many' off.

    Let's not forget the "hoop" of not being able to raise your hand to answer AFTER you've been reinstated!

  • UnshackleTheChains
    UnshackleTheChains
    A judicial committee takes place behind closed doors. With no representation for the accused. No witnesses allowed. And the three elders act as judge, jury and executioner.

    And yet, in Watchtower April 1st, 2011:

    The Law that Moses delivered to Israel has been called “the greatest and most enlightened system of jurisprudence ever promulgated.” By Jesus’ day, however, legalistically minded rabbis had added to it a mass of extra-Biblical rules, many of which were later recorded in the Talmud. How did Jesus’ trial measure up to these Biblical and extra-Biblical criteria?

    According to the Mosaic Law, trials were to be held in public. (Deuteronomy 16:18; Ruth 4:1) This, on the other hand, was a secret trial. No one attempted to or was allowed to speak in Jesus’ favor. No examination was made of the merits of Jesus’ claim to Messiahship. Jesus had no opportunity to summon witnesses for his defense. There was no orderly voting among the judges as to guilt or innocence

    Pale emporer

    Thanks for highlighting the above. You would think the GB would take on board what their own writing department reveals from the bible; look at their own back yard and adjust things accordingly 🙄

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