BRITAIN ZONE VISIT - 18th March 2017

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  • Nicholaus Kopernicus
    Nicholaus Kopernicus

    A. Llewellyn – WT Summary (“Why Modesty Still Matters”)

    I won’t go into this much as an individual can read it for themselves and conclude as s(he) sees fit. What I would say however, is that I remember Llewellyn using phrases like “knowing your place in Jehovah’s organisation” and “taking care not to act presumptuously”. I’ve singled out these two thoughts as they came across as quite condescending.

    For example, “knowing your place” – yes the organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses is one of the most highly stratified of religious organisations on earth today. To act outside of one’s place is therefore probably seen as a lack of modesty. Of course, this organisation is one which disseminates information only. It does not listen. So is it any wonder that individuals increasingly ignore this perceived “place” and seek a listening ear elsewhere? Such as for example, this online forum?

    My ears popped up when Llewellyn talked about not acting presumptuously! Well, north of the border a cliché derived from scripture says that one should “look in before you look out”! The organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses has “presumptuous” as a middle name in practice!

    When discussing this subject of modesty, neither Llewellyn or the WT bothers to make reference to the Insight Volume where 1 Cor 4:6 is referenced - “Do not go beyond the things that are written [that is, do not go beyond the limits that the Scriptures set for humans in their attitude toward one another and toward themselves]...” Of course, the WTBTS / GBoJW goes way beyond the things written with regularity.



    S. Papps – Branch Report & Experiences

    Theme: Blessed in the City & Blessed in the Field (Deut 28:3)

    Papps stated that the 2016 harvest work has really blossomed. It is really going forward. Evidence of God’s blessing on the Britain branch of JW he cited as follows....

    • · 12 countries in our branch territory, including the Falkland Islands, Malta, and Pakistan.
    • · In these territories, there are 149,080 publishers.
    • · There has been an increase in pioneer publishers over the last 10 years
    • · 14,796 pioneers currently, ranging in age from 11 to 88 years
    • · 10% of publishers in Britain are engaged in the pioneer service.
    • · Hours in ministry for 2016 service year totalled over 27.4million.
    • · Bible studies have increased to over 69,000.

    However, Papps concluded, Jehovah doesn’t focus on statistics but on people! He then went on to disclose that 4,350 literature carts have been distributed to congregations. The carts he said, have been instrumental in reaching those who used to serve Jehovah. Then gave an example of an individual who was a former elder and a pioneer (serving for 7 years) who took literature from the cart regularly and expressed an interest in being reactivated.

    With reference to cart use in the ministry, Papps stated that there is a need to be consistent, patient, and positive. Reason: results may not be known to us or perhaps be delayed. Went on to add that there has been 4000+ requests for Bible studies made via JW.org.

    He gave examples of ministry, including a congregation which organised visits to hand car washes during rainy weather. Another congregation focussed on the two creation brochures and placed 400 in a month.

    Papps then moved on to the branch relocation project, revealing that a new and updated video would shortly be released and that in consequence, individuals would be able to see for themselves, Jehovah’s blessing on this project.

    For my part, I thought it was very significant that Papps’ portrayal of statistics seemed to be based on the territories supervised by the Britain Branch. He avoided any statistics regarding publisher growth augmenting this by saying that Jehovah doesn’t focus on statistics. The truth is closer to the fact that the publisher numbers in Britain are falling. That there was a paper increase of a paltry 26 in 2016 has to be understood in the context of numbers being buoyed up by significant immigration to Britain (many foreign language congregations and groups for example). If Jehovah doesn’t focus on statistics then perhaps publishers no longer need to submit field service reports?



    H. Corkern – “Always Rejoice in the Lord” (Php 4:4)

    This talk lasted an hour. Corkern stated that he and his wife visited the branches in Belgium and the Netherlands en route to Britain. (See how “precious kingdom resources” are being used!) I was at a loss as to why he travelled so much to deliver a seemingly innocuous pastoral talk. However, maybe it wasn’t quite so innocuous or pastoral. My ears popped up when Corkern stated that we should never use unscriptural means to get away from trials. Doing so may delay relief or make it more difficult to deal with the trial. He emphasised that one is saved if you endure to the end.

    I’m being highly subjective here, but I could not dismiss the suspicion that this HQ high flier was delivering such a message to provide a spiritual / intellectual pretext for not yielding to any governmental / court demands to fundamentally change the WT child safeguarding policy. He went on to affirm not deviating from Jehovah’s standards for example.

    I was surprised, but then again not so surprised, when he disclosed that the most common reason for brothers losing their joy is because of one another. [I thought God’s true organisation was marked by love!] In dealing with this subject, he merely mentioned that man tends to error (Psalm 130:3) and there isn’t a man who doesn’t sin (John 8:46). So he side stepped this important issue. He didn’t mention that much of the loss of joy is attributable to BoEs and CO's who think more of themselves than it is necessary to think. He did not take the opportunity to quote the Insight Volume on the subject of humility where it is said:

    And when one person offends another, it tests his humility to obey the command to go to the other person and admit the wrong, asking forgiveness (Matt. 5:23,24)”. Well, he wouldn’t want to upset BoEs by giving them more work to do would he? The unwritten policy of the WT is that BoEs and others in positions of authority simply do not apologise! If you have received an apology from a BoE or an individual elder, do share!

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    "I was at a loss as to why he travelled so much to deliver a seemingly innocuous pastoral talk. "

    Innocuous was indeed the word... I dozed but my wife found it encouraging. She enthused to others afterwards but they seemed to have dozed as well judging by their glazed looks and then changing the subject. Why do they come?

    As to why, we have to remember that the talk is small part of a week's visit . He is here to examine, check up and report back to tha G B . Head office have sent a Senior Bod to make sure of things.

  • Dreamerdude
    Dreamerdude

    Nicholas, thanks for sharing your notes.

    BB, you noted that in addition to giving an hour talk to the people subjected to the branch, the HQ heavy spends a week gathering info to report to the GB. Does anyone know exactly what they do for a week? I am curious as to what kind of interrogations are needed. Are they just checking to see that Branch managers are obedient?

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    Thanks for the summary NK. I was thinking of doing one but I fell asleep in the WT. I had to smile through the stats and mentioned to my wife that I thought it was notable they did not mention that all that time spent had only had a net increase of less than 30 people.

    I thought the talk was boring and wondered why he had bothered as well. Of course his real mission is to kick the branch into touch and remind the local committee they have to get rid of loads of people.

    I can't wait to see the next video on Chelmsford. It will be amazing to see how lots of money + volunteer labour + outside contractors enables a building to be constructed over a period of several years. I suspect this is something that all the big contractors should be taking note of as they seem to struggle with similar engineering projects. I really don't know how they managed buildings like The Shard or engineering feats like the Channel Tunnel without Jehovah's blessing.

  • freddo
    freddo

    Old Papps gave a load of pap didn't he? Froth and bubble, spit and spume. No substance.

    Look at the hours (stood by a cart), look at the extra pioneers (30 hrs for most auxiliaries), more bible studies (yapping on a doorstep twice in a month and "showing" a video).

    Didn't see any baptism figures, did you? And as mentioned minimal increase.

    And I notice how some of those interested by the carts were "returners" - we all know how they are going to be zealous productive jw's from here on in don't we?

  • freddo
    freddo

    As for the real reason they (Corkern and co.) are there and other branches - it's inspection and cost saving - aka hatchet men. I'm sure more heads will roll and more contributions will be diverted to USA.

  • finallysomepride
    finallysomepride

    Steve Papps, from New Zealand, the golden boy of the congregation, I was in Mt Albert congregation when he first joined jws, it was like he was made for the job,

  • Nicholaus Kopernicus
    Nicholaus Kopernicus

    I've not come across this Papps before. However, discovered he did some media responses (I think before Paul Gillies did it). The example here is his response to BBC on blood issue....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7080902.stm

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