The Alliances for Constitutional Sex Offenders Laws

by John Davis 9 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • John Davis
    John Davis

    I was listening to the news today and heard of this organization. It advocates for the removal of sex offenders registries or at least the reduction of its use and who has to register for it. Just one example of its work is to advocate for what the LA District Attorney's office is doing by working with sex offenders to get their names off the registry. I wanted to get your opinion on this organization and organizations like it.

    http://all4consolaws.org/

    About Us

    Our Mission Statement

    The Alliance for Constitutional Sex Offense Laws (ACSOL) is dedicated to protecting the Constitution by restoring the civil rights of registrants and their families. In order to achieve that objective, ACSOL will educate and litigate as well as support or oppose legislation.

    We Believe

    · No sexual abuse is ever acceptable.

    · Sex offense laws and policies should be based on sound research and common sense, not fear, panic or paranoia.

    · Current laws and policies that paint all sex offenders with one broad brush are counter- productive, wasteful, and cause needless harm.

    · Each offense must be judged on its own merits with a punishment that fits the crime and does not waste taxpayer dollars.

    · The public sex offender registry and residency restriction laws do not protect children but instead ostracize and dehumanize individuals and their families.

    · Money spent on purely punitive measures would be better used for prevention, healing, and rehabilitation.

    We do not now nor have we ever had a relationship with the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)
  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Without reading all their stuff and getting some experience with regards to their practices it would be impossible to tell. With that said I think their trying to change things so that not all child sexual activity is judged the same.

    Case in point , I know of two young men age 18 that had a sexual relations with a younger teenager, in both cases I believe the females were 16. Both were charged then when all things were settled they were put on the registry as sex offenders. Both had to go through all the stipulations as if they had molested a 3 year old and treated by the authorities and people in the community as if they had indeed molested a 3 year old because know one knew the details.

    Im not saying having sex with a teenager is ok but what I'm thinking these guys are trying to do is get the rules changed so that young men's lives aren't destroyed forever for sleeping with some one a year or two younger then them. Some states have even changed their rules so these types offenses are not judge and prosecuted the same.

  • scratchme1010
    scratchme1010

    Like with every law, there have been misuse and abuse of it, and there are circumstances in which some people have been in that registry as a consequence of it. However, so is the case with laws around other crimes.

    Personally I'm not completely sure why the law singles out sex offenses and creates a registry for them. Why not murderers, arsonists, other criminals? Furthermore, is sex offenses are so extra heinous, then why there's a statue of limitations for child sexual abuse and rape, and not for murder, yet there's no "murderer registry"?

    As it is, things don't make sense from any angle. What's more, the entire justice system is about reaction and punishment. How does such registry contributes to reforming, and even if the offender cannot be reformed, how does the registry make things better for other crimes? It does have the convenience of people knowing that some person has committed a sex offense and therefore must take precautions, but really? Are people supposed to take precautions only when they know that the person is a registered sex offender? What is worse, some people have been able to get out of the list, what does that mean? That the person was a sex offender but it's now ok to have children around him?

    As I said, as is, the sex offender registry doesn't do what it's meant to do. There are no easy answers, but what we have certainly hasn't reduced nor stopped sex crimes at all.

    As for what those people believe:

    No sexual abuse is ever acceptable.

    Agree.

    Sex offense laws and policies should be based on sound research and common sense, not fear, panic or paranoia.

    I agree, but I wouldn't call what we have now panic or paranoia. There are always going to be people who will misuse and abuse the law, that's a different issue.

    Current laws and policies that paint all sex offenders with one broad brush are counter- productive, wasteful, and cause needless harm.

    Yes, I agree. However, sex offenses should be punished just like any other crime.

    Each offense must be judged on its own merits with a punishment that fits the crime and does not waste taxpayer dollars.

    Agreed, but it's kind of difficult to define what that "merit" is for a given offense. A person who has been traumatized by being sexually attacked may see a sex offense differently than the owner of a porn shop.

    The public sex offender registry and residency restriction laws do not protect children but instead ostracize and dehumanize individuals and their families.

    Agree. I still don't see why singling out sex offenses over murder and other crimes.

    Money spent on purely punitive measures would be better used for prevention, healing, and rehabilitation.

    This goes to the core of the problem with all crime in USA. Laws are not designed with crime prevention in mind. Everything is reactive and corrective, never preventive.

    We do not now nor have we ever had a relationship with the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)

    I find it sad that they have to make this clarification in order for people to pay attention to them. Advocacy for law reform should not have to be judged so harshly.

  • John Davis
    John Davis

    I am in no was trying to pass judgement on this organisation. I know that this has been debated for years with regards to the state of limitations for both criminal and civil cases, the use of registries, limits on the where and how people can live and work, and even the use parole or probation. I just never knew that there was an organised effort to look into it. Even in Canada, the Liberal government is trying to fend off attacks the Conservative opposition, when they call the liberals weak and not wanting to protect children because the PM isn't sure if he wants to push through a national sex offenders registry.

  • scratchme1010
    scratchme1010

    I just never knew that there was an organised effort to look into it.

    Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you are establishing any judgement. A few years ago I was working for a nonprofit that has a program for ex-offenders, and trust me, the sex offender registry is only one of a rather large list of issues, disparities and injustices that ex-offenders have to go through.

    Granted, in no way shape or form do I believe that the justice system should be eliminated. Some people do belong in jail, and some sex offenders should be well known about. But as is, things are not working well for a number of people who struggle to properly reinstate themselves into society. We have a very high recidivism rate in USA.

  • John Davis
    John Davis

    I am sorry if I made it sound like you were accusing me of passing judgement or anything like that. I just wanted to clarify it. I completely agree with you, that there has to be a better system. Child abuse is a horrific crime, and people who have committed it may want to engage in it again, but that doesn't mean that a one size fits all punishment system. Even just the accusation of child abuse can ruin someone's life even if it is not true. It is a sad thing that people hurt children but those people are still human and need to be punished for their hurting someone else but they still need to be treated like humans.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    Most sex offender lists have variations. Your typical 16yo sex although illegal ends you on the level that you need to know the name and address before you can verify listing and they expire in most jurisdictions (or you can ask to be removed after a period of time).

    The worst offenders end up on the public listings you can search on websites.

    IMHO if the victim is under 12 (or whatever the age of marriage in Alabama is) and the perpetrator is over 18yo, you deserve to be chemically castrated. It is proven that such offenders do not rehabilitate although it may not be proven they did reoffend, the chance is great they do or find substitutes in child porn.

    Given castration is not legal anymore, a warning label and restrictions on your living space makes a great alternative. It's not prison but you're getting a life sentence which is appropriate.

  • Rainbow_Troll
    Rainbow_Troll

    I'm glad something like this exists. An acquaintance of mine has a very hard time getting a job or renting an apartment all because he committed the very heinous crime of sleeping with a girl who looked slightly older than she was. In the USA, the AoC is usually 18, in Canada it is 16, in Denmark it's 15 (or 12 with parental approval). Which country has it right? Do the Dutch mature faster than Americans?

    It's helpful to remember that everyone is a sex offender according to some ridiculous cultural taboo — except me, because I'm a virgin!

    Peace out, perverts!

  • freddo
    freddo

    The last sentence in their manifesto makes me wonder why "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" ...

    But I do think that consensual sex between "normal" (as in one of them is not vulnerable mentally) teenagers in the 15 - 19 age range who are up to only a couple of years apart - has a different flavour than grooming and abuse.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    I think you make a good case scratchme1010

    As I said, as is, the sex offender registry doesn't do what it's meant to do. There are no easy answers, but what we have certainly hasn't reduced nor stopped sex crimes at all.

    Your review is sensible and logical.

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