What distinguishes the 144,000 from the Great Crowd?

by Vanderhoven7 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Vanderhoven7

  Both the 144,000 and the "Great Crowd") consist of members who are:

  144,000 Great Crowd

  a. From every kindred and nation. 5:9 ... 7:9

  b. Servants of God. 7:3.... 7:15

  c. Divinely protected thru tribulation 9:4,5 /Acts 14:22.... 7:14

  d. followers of the Lamb 14:4 .... 7:17

  e. Redeemed 14:3 .... 7:14

  f. Pure and Spotless 14:4 7:13,14

  g. Standing before the throne 14:1,3,5.... 7:9

  h. Before the Lamb 5:8 ... 7:9

  i. In His temple (naos) 11:1,2 .... 7:15; 11:19

  j. Tenting/residing with God 2Cor. 6:16.... 7:15

  k. Dressed in white robes 6:11.... 7:9

  l. Wearing robes that are washed 22:14 .... 7:14

  m. A heavenly class 14:1; 4:1,2; .... 19:1

  n. Spirit begotten 7:3.... I Jn. 5:1
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  Vanderhoven7

  The Faithful Slave has hijacked both the living remnant of the 144,000 and the entire Great Crowd as being solely associated with their organization in New York.

  In other words, one has to be associated with their organization to be a Christian.

  Unfortunately for 99.9% of Watchtower Witnesses, biblically speaking, there is no such thing as a Christian who is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit and is bereft of a heavenly hope.

  Consequently their version of the Great Crowd is bogus.
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  Hellothere

  Great difference in my opinion is, they have too prove themselves now. Heavenly kings have to be example in agape now. Priest class was incharge of education old Jerusalem. All spiritual beings are watching if they prove themselves now, so they can have heavenly responsibility in the future. Think leaders of watchtower have done the 144000 a big disfavour just focusing on preaching and not agape. Putting obstacles with all their Man made rules. Jesus wouldn't like this situation. Matthew 23:13

  “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
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  Sea Breeze

  Unfortunately for 99.9% of Watchtower Witnesses, biblically speaking, there is no such thing as a Christian who is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit and is bereft of a heavenly hope.

  And the .1% that do claim to be annointed (born again) still teach a gospel of two salvations - one with, and one without the new covenant. Since the apostles never taught this, they are cursed:

  Gal. 1 8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

  9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

  
  

  THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO BE JUSTIFIED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, NOT TWO
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  Rattigan350

  There is no "the great crowd".

  John sees in a vision 144,000 then he sees a large number of people that he could have described many different ways but he uses the Greek words that have been rendered 'great crowd'.
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  Beth Sarim

  The Revelation scriptures point to a crowd in heaven before the throne.

  Rutherford had to drum up a 2 tier system because he had a numbers problem and had to offset that.