Power of prayer found wanting in hospital trial

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  • ignored_one
    ignored_one

    Unfortunately you have to register to view the page but searching for 'prayer' at www.telegraph.co.uk will find the story.

    Power of prayer found wanting in hospital trial
    By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
    (Filed: 15/10/2003)

    The biggest scientific experiment on prayer has failed to find any evidence that it helps to heal the sick.

    Doctors in the United States will today disclose that heart patients who were prayed for by groups of strangers recovered from surgery at the same rate as those who were not.

    The three-year study, led by cardiologists from Duke University Medical Centre in North Carolina, involved 750 patients in nine hospitals and 12 prayer groups around the world, from Christians in Manchester to Buddhists in Nepal.

    Earlier, less extensive, research suggested prayer could have a measurably beneficial effect.

    But the experiment, which will be detailed in a BBC2 Everyman documentary to be broadcast next week, was criticised as crude by Church leaders. The Bishop of Durham, the Rt Rev Tom Wright, said: "Prayer is not a penny-in-the-slot machine. You can't just put in a coin and get out a chocolate.

    "This is like setting an exam for God to see if God will pass it or not."

    He said both the Old and New Testaments said "very clearly" that you must not put God to the test. The new research, dubbed the Mantra project, was led by Dr Mitch Krucoff, a cardiologist, whose pilot studies had led him to believe that prayer could have measurably beneficial effects.

    Over three years, 750 patients awaiting angioplasty, a procedure to clear obstructions from their arteries, were recruited for the experiment.

    Names selected at random by a computer were sent to the 12 prayer groups, who began praying immediately for their recovery. Neither the hospital staff nor the patients and their relatives knew who was being prayed for.

    The prayer groups included American Christian mothers, nuns in a Carmelite convent in Baltimore, Sufi Muslims, Buddhist monks in Nepal and English doctors and medical students in Manchester. Prayers were even e-mailed to Jerusalem and placed in the Wailing Wall.

    An analysis of the results found that there were no significant differences in the recovery and health of the patients who were prayed for and those who were not.

    The Rev Leslie Francis, professor of practical theology at the University of Wales, said two major studies, in 1988 and 1999, had found that prayer had a beneficial effect.

    "In medical research one expects divergent results, so it is premature to affirm or dismiss the power of prayer in healing," he said. "But if the pharmaceutical industry was getting these sorts of results they would be investing a great of money in research."

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  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Finally, someone took my suggestion. If a medicine works, then its efficacy can be proven conclusively by double blind tests. It should be a simple matter to perform the same test on prayer. This would lead to more persons practicing prayer, insurance discounts for persons who pray, and a revolution in the medical profession.

    He said both the Old and New Testaments said "very clearly" that you must not put God to the test.

    I guess it only works when you're not looking.

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32

    I believe in the psychosomatic power of prayer... I think if someone believes that it'll work, it may help their own body heal itself.

    If a medicine works, then its efficacy can be proven conclusively by double blind tests.

    Good point. That's exactly why I don't believe in many alternative medicines.... homeopathy, applied kinesiology, and reflexology. Even chiropractics for "preventative maintenance" is unsubstantiated. Oh yeah...and "magnet therapy"... what a joke.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Hallelujah! It's about friggin' time!

    To invoke a skeptic motto, "Nothing fails like prayer."

    To those who will pray for me: thanks for NOTHING.

    The most excellent Doc Watson said, "I believe in the psychosomatic power of prayer..." Yes, but that is the individual praying for himself. There is no psychosomatic power in events conducted by strangers of which the patient is unaware.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    "This is like setting an exam for God to see if God will pass it or not."

    He said both the Old and New Testaments said "very clearly" that you must not put God to the test.

    Whoever wrote the bible obviously knew that it was a scam and added the "do not test" clause as a "catch all" safety net for when shear chance the deity did not perform.

    Pretty slick I have to admit... "I can introduce you to the greatest and most powerful deity that created everything and can do anything... oh, but you aren't allowed to actually VERYIFY any of my claims." "Who wants to donate money my deity first? Ya never know... donating may give you a better chance of living for all eternity in paradise!"

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