How consistently were Christians persecuted in the first 200 years of church history?

by fulltimestudent 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    This scene from Quo Vadis is how most Christians (of all brands) imagine the early history of Christianity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDrflc8v9E

    But how close to real-life experience is that modern portrayal?

    Two historians from the University of Queensland search for the likely truth in this overview.

    http://theconversation.com/mythbusting-ancient-rome-throwing-christians-to-the-lions-67365

    Their conclusion. Yes, firstly, some early Christians died that way, but so did lots of non-Christians.

    Secondly, dislike of Christians was not Imperial policy. At least, not until the last few decades before Constantine's ascension to supremacy, and then only because they were seen as disloyal to the state ,

  • careful
    careful

    Are you asking a question or trying to teach here? Your post does not match your topic label which is framed in the form of a question... Do you expect a response to your posed question or just want an audience?

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    Your post does not match your topic label which is framed in the form of a question...

    careful ...

    It's the Jeopardy mentality.

    Alex, I'll take CT Russell for 800.

    Rub a Dub

  • scratchme1010
    scratchme1010

    I'm more than happy to persecute whoever christian comes to my house, violating my privacy and life choices over their stupid Jesus.

    They try to shove their bible down other people's throat and claim to be victimized when they are put in their place.

    If you look at the history of how many people from how many religions and how many reasons they have been oppressed, christianity has had it pretty good, not to mention that those have been more the oppressor than the oppressed.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Hasn't some historical evidence been found recently suggesting that a lot of the "persecution" stories the early Christians told were propaganda?

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    Vidiot : Hasn't some historical evidence been found recently suggesting that a lot of the "persecution" stories the early Christians told were propaganda?

    That's certainly the contention of the two scholars in the above attached argument. They are not alone in their viewpoint. But I know of no 'historical evidence' as mentioned in your post. Rather the viewpoint is inferred from the extant Imperial records.

    I drew attention because as JWs we knew we may have to endure - or worse, see our kids tortured in front of us. Of course, the JWs are not alone in their boast of being persecuted for his name's sake, and there is something of an argument that it all harks back to second temple Judaism and the Maccabean rebellion in which some Maccabean supporters became 'martyrs.'

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    careful : Are you asking a question or trying to teach here? Your post does not match your topic label which is framed in the form of a question... Do you expect a response to your posed question or just want an audience?

    Apologies, careful, for this late response to your query. That was in part because of some of my own personal circumstances, but also because I couldn't quite figure out precisely why you would ask such a question.

    Anyway, here's my response:

    1. I post here to 'share' information, which I guess is why most posts are made on this site.

    2. The question asked was a rhetorical question, if you are not quite sure of what a rhetorical question is, then here is one explanation - "A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer." There are other similar explanations floating around, so I'll leave it to you to explore.

    2. You claim: "Your post does not match your topic label which is framed in the form of a question.."

    I disagree. The authors of the cited article, ask a similar question, and then proceed to answer it. If you read their discussion, then I'm confident that you must have seen that question. But in the unlikely event that you did not, I quote:

    "Was persecution a consistent imperial policy, and what types of punishments were inflicted on Christians?


    Blaming the Emperors

    The myth of constant persecution largely stems from two works written in the early fourth century A.D., On the Deaths of the Persecutors by Lactantius, a Christian professor of Latin, and the Church History of Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea in modern-day Israel."

    They then proceed to answer the question and demonstrate that Eusebius and Lactantius, whose church histories are primarily responsible for the myth that makes early Christianity look more important than it really was, were really propagandists interested only in making the church look important.

    Whether you want to continue to believe the rubbish that we were force fed as JWs or not is not my interest. My interest is simply to share the academic information* that comes my way because of my interest in Asian history and its role in the development of the modern world.

    * The site that published the author's arguments is an Australian site (there may be other similar sites - havn't checked) mainly publishing information from academic sources.

    Happy now?

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Have to agree with Vidiot, very little real persecution and a lot less Christians then we're ment to believe. Only after emperor Constantine and a later emperor did the Christian population grow.

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