Who's got it wrong - the Bible or the "faithful slave?"

The Searcher

According to the self-proclaimed "faithful and discreet slave" of Jehovah's Witnesses, all sorts of evil things are going to be allowed to occur during Christ's 1000 year reign!

it-2 p. 789 Resurrection - "They are judged, not on what they did before hearing his voice, but on what they do after hearing it.

re chap. 41 p. 300 par. 16 - "Here "life" and "judgment" contrast with each other, showing that those resurrected ones who "practiced vile things" after being instructed in the inspired Scriptures and scrolls are judged to be unworthy of life.

rs p. 338 par. 1 Resurrection - "Both those who formerly did good things and those who formerly practiced bad things will be "judged individually according to their deeds." What deeds? Jesus was pointing ahead to the resurrection; then, in the remainder of verse 29, he was expressing the outcome after they had been uplifted to human perfection and been put on judgment."

bh p. 214 par. 3 - "No, the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died. How do we know that? The Bible says: "The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin." (Romans 6:7) ...........Thus, individuals will be judged on the basis of what they do during Judgment Day."

uw chap. 9 p. 76 par. 12 Power of the Resurrection Hope - They will be "judged individually according to their deeds" performed after their resurrection.

w82 4/1 p. 25 par. 18 The Kingdom and the Resurrection Hope - Both "those who did good things" and "those who practiced vile things" will be among "those dead" who will be "judged individually according to their deeds" performed after their resurrection.

w78 9/1 p. 22 par. 9 A Resurrection of Life and One of Judgment - the resurrected ones......will either turn to the course of doing good things or turn to the practicing of vile things.

So much for the org's promised "paradise conditions" and the Bible saying that Jesus Christ will be a "Prince of Peace" ruling with an iron rod! (Isaiah 9:6; Revelation 2:27; 12:5)

scratchme1010

Who's got it wrong - the Bible or the "faithful slave?"

It makes an interesting theological conversation.

Drearyweather

Since you have used JW language so heavily, I will try to use JW logic while replying.

My 2 cents:

JWs think that the evil in this world is caused due to 2 main reasons:

1. Satan

2. Imperfection

During the 1000 year rule, Satan would be in the abyss, while people would be gradually moving towards being perfect. Since the source of evil is not there, what are the chances that evil would occur. There are, because humans would still be free moral agents. But very less chances, in fact negligible. However, the greatest test would occur when Satan is let out of the abyss. This is because JW's quote the following:

pe. page 182. Then, after their resurrection, it was easy for them to serve Jehovah because of living in Paradise without any opposition from the Devil. But will these billions of humans, who are then perfect, serve Jehovah if Satan is given the opportunity to try to stop them from further doing so? .....The Bible shows that Satan is successful in turning some persons away from serving Jehovah.

So, will JW's need to worry about occurrence of evil during the 1000 year reign without Satan, the source of evil, around? It would be like me asking someone, Do you now live with the fear the you or your family would get infected with small pox or spanish flu, now that those viruses have been contained?

Ding

The WT's description of the 1000 years doesn't make its "new system" sound much better than the old one...

Finkelstein

Certain Bible scriptures are prophetic mythology (Fiction)

The WTS's leaders have taken those written words as non-fiction, as a means to empower themselves by the literature they publish .

Jesus stated that no one knows of the time and admonished his true followers to make up a time on their own, so the date setting by the WTS's leaders have scripturaly negated themselves as being the FDSL.

The Searcher

I take your point DrearyWeather, but there is a huge difference between "turning some persons away from serving Jehovah" and "the practicing of vile things."

The latter scenario does not present a credible picture of the paradise which is preached by J.W.'s - a depiction which the vast majority of J.W.'s have not yet absorbed.

James Mixon

That's not fair, 8 billion will die at Armageddon because they didn't except the message from cart witnesses,but the resurrected ones will have a 2nd chance because Satan was ruling the world, so now they will hear the only true message without Satan screwing up things.Who in the hell will practice vile things after walking out of their grave..I believe we have a legitimate beef, Jehovah we had the influence of your Angel and others and the JW cart preaching which was a big joke...Hell God there are over 34000 separate christian groups in the world today, how many were around in Jesus day?? So who got it wrong, it doesn't matter..

waton

These vile things might be transgressions against the "new scrolls" that were opened (another valid beef of yours) , there might be a law" Thou shalt not commit levitation" and a huge kite might lift some hapless kid, a first step to a new glider movement. Not just sail boats but sailplanes. vile things indeed, practised in the four corner of the "new earth".

The Searcher

Waton - :)

The alleged new scrolls is the only dogma which my closest friends in the org (former elder & wife) ever seriously questioned out of everything I discussed with them! They were dismayed to see that the scrolls were not opened during the millennium as the G.B. claims - but they still refuse to doubt the "golden calf's" divine appointment. Sigh.

Brokeback Watchtower

I would say the imaginary F&DS/GB/WTcorporation has the bible totally wrong and about a 3rd or 4th grade level (8 or 9 y o) ignorance which is why they forbid their members getting a real education (their bull shit falls apart the more educated you get).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGNZQ64xiqo

Who's got it wrong - the Bible or the "faithful slave?"

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