AGAPE LOVE - Not the JW cult version...

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  • UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
    UNCONDITIONAL LOVE


    JW VERSION: Teaches (Brainwashes) you to use principles, choose, select and be conditional with love. In other words you can't just love everything and everybody but you have to be picky with love "supposedly" because Jehovah is picky in who he loves and allows to breath and live upon the earth... Ok...

    JW AGAPE LOVE:

    12 A·gaʹpe refers to love that is guided by principle. So it is more than just an emotional response to another person. It is broader in scope, more thoughtful and deliberate in its basis. Above all, a·gaʹpe is utterly unselfish. For example, look again at John 3:16. What is “the world” that God loved so much that he gave his only-begotten Son? It is the world of redeemable mankind. That includes many people who are pursuing a sinful course in life. Does Jehovah love each one as a personal friend, the way he loved faithful Abraham? (James 2:23) No, but Jehovah lovingly extends goodness toward all, even at great cost to himself. He wants all to repent and change their ways. (2 Peter 3:9) Many do. These he happily receives as his friends.

    13, 14. What shows that a·gaʹpe often includes warm affection?

    13 Some, though, have the wrong idea about a·gaʹpe. They think that it means a cold, intellectual type of love. The fact is that a·gaʹpe often includes warm personal affection. For example, when John wrote, “The Father loves the Son,” he used a form of the word a·gaʹpe. Is that love devoid of warm affection? Note that Jesus said, “The Father has affection for the Son,” using a form of the word phi·leʹo. (John 3:35; 5:20) Jehovah’s love often includes tender affection. However, his love is never swayed by mere sentiment. It is always guided by his wise and just principles.

  • cofty
    cofty
    Jehovah’s love often includes tender affection. However, his love is never swayed by mere sentiment. It is always guided by his wise and just principles.

    Jehovah is a moral monster.

  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower
    “What is “the world” that God loved so much that he gave his only-begotten Son? It is the world of redeemable mankind. That includes many people who are pursuing a sinful course in life. Does Jehovah love each one as a personal friend, the way he loved faithful Abraham? (James 2:23) No, but Jehovah lovingly extends goodness toward all, even at great cost to himself. He wants all to repent and change their ways. (2 Peter 3:9) Many do. These he happily receives as his friends.

    To keep Jehovah repugnant sense of morals from wipeing out the whole human race? and that is love? bull shit!

    Jehovah egotistical self importance reeks of a serious personality disorder and is steeped in narcissism. The only love this biblical Deity has is for himself and himself alone.

  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower
  • UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
    UNCONDITIONAL LOVE

    BW very true. The governing body has turned "Jehovah" into their very own version of The wizard of oz where they are pulling the strings and levers from behind the curtain of a very elaborate and convincing fairytale (Ponzi scheme) to the average unsuspecting and under educated JW, who are forced into serving and following (The Governing Body) "Jehovah God" from infancy in most cases! The governing body is the "real" "Jehovah". The name Jehovah is used as their alter ego or as their figurative superman suit. These (7 or 8 I lost count) senile old men are inspired by not "Jehovah" but their own delusions of "truth" (koolaid) that they have been pouring non stop down the throats of their sadly delusional, horribly mislead and misguided followers. The organization is what they hail as their conditionally and selectively "loving" spiritual paradise, more like a spiritual hell! A paradise from which once you join, you are not allowed to leave, or else you'll be banished, shunned and DFed from your family and friends for the rest of your life and lose the delusional prospect of everlasting life from Jehovah... You couldn't dream of a better fairytale story... Sounds like the movie The Beach with Leonardo DiCaprio but at least they don't kill their followers, but some may say they do... because they kill the wills, minds and hearts of their followers so figuratively they are like zombies or the walking dead.

  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower

    The Biblical Deity is a real monster too. When he has a fit of anger he kills humans and animals, it not just the GB version of jehovah that's mentally sick. You will not find any unconditional love in the OT Deity only a sick narcissistic do what I say or I'll kill ya.

    The biblical Deity has a huge denial problem that imagines every thing He does is always good and will not admit his dark or evil side which cause explosive out burst of anger.

  • UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
    UNCONDITIONAL LOVE

    It's the positive and negative, ying and yang, past and future, young and old, man and woman, night and day, winter and summer, spring and fall, big and small, up and down, water and fire, hot and cold, white and black, light and dark, life and death, good and bad, happy and sad, kind and evil, carom and wicked, love and fear, heaven and hell, God and satan...

    Duality, you can't have one without the other... It's just science and the universal laws, not a loving Diety in the sky to give you life or an evil Deity under the ground to burn you up forever. The truth is metaphysical not biblical. The governing body and all religious leaders use the scam of religion to control the masses just as every other religion and or cult.

  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower

    Satan is Jehovah alter ego or shadow projection to which everything evil in God nature gets projected on to Satan psychologically speaking that is. With Hitler it was the Jews as in every evil that Hitler accused the Jews of Hitler and the Nazi party were in actuality doing it is the same with Jehovah and Satan.

    http://www.cgjungpage.org/learn/articles/book-reviews/727-answer-to-job-revisited-jung-on-the-problem-of-evil

    God as Narcissist
    Job’s innocence is indeed righteous, and the tricky thing about his unfair fate, as Jung zeroes in on, is that the Devil made God do it. Somewhat like the serpent manipulating the first woman and man in the Garden of Eden, Satan challenges God to test Job’'s faith by inflicting maximum suffering on this innocent civilian. Satan bets God that Job will then “curse thee to thy face.” God takes the wager, at the obvious and total expense of Job.
    But in Jung'’s view God hasn’'t just taken a wager, he’'s taken the bait. Jung says that God  has been suckered (“bamboozled”), and goes on to cast an extremely critical eye on the Old Testament Yahweh. He describes God’'s “personality” and actions vis-a-vis Job in these words: unconscious, amoral, totally lacking in self-reflection...no insight, savage, ruthless, revolting, touchy, suspicious, double-faced, jealous [Jung means here “envious”], despotic, intolerable, tantalizing, less than human, non compos mentis, clueless, a monster, etc. If God were a man--–and Jung addresses and assesses him as such–--Job would clearly be the better man. Furthermore, from Jung’'s description God sounds like some sort of superhuman narcissistic personality disorder:
    "Yahweh is no friend of critical thoughts which in any way diminish the tribute of recognition he demands....Yahweh needs the acclamation of a small group of people. One can imagine what would happen if this assembly suddenly decided to stop the applause: there would be a destructive rage, then a withdrawal into hellish loneliness and the torture of non-existence, followed by a gradual reawakening of an unutterable longing for something which would make him conscious of himself." (para. 575)
    Likewise,
    "His thunderings at Job so completely miss the point that one cannot help but see how much he is occupied with himself....Yahweh has no interest whatever in Job'’s cause but is far more preoccupied with his own affairs." (paras. 587-8)
    At the same time, this God is so lacking in self-definition that
    "It is as if he existed only by reason of the fact that he has an object which assures him that he is really there." (para. 574)
    In this picture of primitive, almost malignant narcissism and marginal identity, God acts out his apparently desperate mirroring needs and narcissistic rage on Job. From a different perspective: Yahweh has a selfobject transference to man.God as Narcissist
    Job’s innocence is indeed righteous, and the tricky thing about his unfair fate, as Jung zeroes in on, is that the Devil made God do it. Somewhat like the serpent manipulating the first woman and man in the Garden of Eden, Satan challenges God to test Job’'s faith by inflicting maximum suffering on this innocent civilian. Satan bets God that Job will then “curse thee to thy face.” God takes the wager, at the obvious and total expense of Job.
    But in Jung'’s view God hasn’'t just taken a wager, he’'s taken the bait. Jung says that God  has been suckered (“bamboozled”), and goes on to cast an extremely critical eye on the Old Testament Yahweh. He describes God’'s “personality” and actions vis-a-vis Job in these words: unconscious, amoral, totally lacking in self-reflection...no insight, savage, ruthless, revolting, touchy, suspicious, double-faced, jealous [Jung means here “envious”], despotic, intolerable, tantalizing, less than human, non compos mentis, clueless, a monster, etc. If God were a man--–and Jung addresses and assesses him as such–--Job would clearly be the better man. Furthermore, from Jung’'s description God sounds like some sort of superhuman narcissistic personality disorder:
    "Yahweh is no friend of critical thoughts which in any way diminish the tribute of recognition he demands....Yahweh needs the acclamation of a small group of people. One can imagine what would happen if this assembly suddenly decided to stop the applause: there would be a destructive rage, then a withdrawal into hellish loneliness and the torture of non-existence, followed by a gradual reawakening of an unutterable longing for something which would make him conscious of himself." (para. 575)
    Likewise,
    "His thunderings at Job so completely miss the point that one cannot help but see how much he is occupied with himself....Yahweh has no interest whatever in Job'’s cause but is far more preoccupied with his own affairs." (paras. 587-8)
    At the same time, this God is so lacking in self-definition that
    "It is as if he existed only by reason of the fact that he has an object which assures him that he is really there." (para. 574)
    In this picture of primitive, almost malignant narcissism and marginal identity, God acts out his apparently desperate mirroring needs and narcissistic rage on Job. From a different perspective: Yahweh has a selfobject transference to man.
  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower

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