Conversion Therapy for Gay Bethelites in Poland (?)

by Jensus 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Jensus
    Jensus

    Recently, there was a rather accurate report on JW on German tv station "SAT1". You find it on their streaming service JOYN.

    https://www.joyn.de/serien/jenseits-des-glaubens-zwischen-religion-und-verblendung/1-2-die-zeugen-jehovas

    There was one piece of information that was new for me: a former Bethelite explained that he realized that he was gay. He was contacted by the Elders and they send him to Poland for some form of conversion therapy to heal him from his homosexuality. It was state that it was conducted in Poland because this kind of therapy is illegal in Germany. The former Bethelite said that he met other JW from several countries in this therapy.

    I have never heard about that.

  • Slidin Fast
    Slidin Fast

    Bloody hell, is there anything in English about this?

  • Biahi
    Biahi

    I thought they just kicked you out if you were gay!

  • Jensus
    Jensus

    I have transcribed and translated the part of the broadcast:

    "In Bethel, Alex continually fights his demons. Despite hard work, prayers and preaching, he is unable to deny his homosexuality. In desperation, he finally confides in an elder.

    Alex: “He then advised me to get in touch with someone who was also at Bethel. He said: “He has the same problem as you.” And then he actually told me: yes, he's currently undergoing therapy, conversion therapy, to be cured of his homosexuality. It would be nice if you could do that too, because it would really prove that you are serious and that you really love God, and he will help you and support you so that you become normal. And then I was so desperate and depressed at the time that I thought: “Yes, then I'll just do it.” And then we always went to Poland. Poland, why? Because it's forbidden in Germany.”

    Reporter: “I'm shocked right now that Jehovah's Witnesses assume that homosexuality can be cured.”

    Alex: “Not a single person who took part in this therapy was cured of homosexuality. There really were Jehovah's Witnesses from all over the world. There were some from America, from Great Britain, from Germany, from Poland. And all those who simply have this pressure of suffering take on these costs and these efforts and all this stress just to be cured. But that made me feel worse and worse, and in the end I was very suicidal.

    Expert: “Conversion therapy claims that it can change a person's sexual orientation. This is a very dangerous claim for many reasons, because we know scientifically that people's sexual orientation cannot be changed. Furthermore, homosexuality is not a mental disorder, and we know that such offers can have very negative effects. These people who take up these offers and really believe that they can change their sexual orientation typically find out when they come to terms with themselves that what they are promised does not happen at all. And then they have the impression that they are doing something wrong because they don't realize that the offer is already dubious.”

    When Bethel realized how badly Alex was doing, they sent him home. It was clear to him that he had failed as a Jehovah's Witness. Traumatized, he returns to Stuttgart."

  • careful
    careful

    Sounds rather bizarre . . . Who paid for this "therapy," the org? Or did some European socialized medicine program offer it?

  • vienne
    vienne

    I suspect it is a private venture by some misguided souls. Doesn't fit with the usual Watchtower acts. As I understand it, the WT approach is to advice homosexuals to be celibate and to "pummel their body" into submission.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Poland is a particularly a reactionary European country. But then our country is so progressive it mutilates children and now is considering killing the old and ill instead of helping them, so maybe reactionary ain’t so bad. I’ve had to reevaluate lot of views I had, oh yes.

  • Jensus
    Jensus

    Since Alex states that these individuals took the costs, I doubt it was paid by Bethel. Also, no health insurance would pay for this. But I also doubt that a Bethel Elder would give such an advice without the knowledge of the higher-ups. And it was an international approach that led to the US.

    However, I posted this because I assumed there might be others here who know about any details. It was the first time, I heard about this and the rest of the broadcast was quite accurate.

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