CT Russell Freemason?

by Celtic 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Yesterday in Scandals & Coverup's Section, I posted this: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/64393/1.ashx

    Now look at this and Russell's own claim that he was a Freemason. He makes this comment to the audience in the first page, 3rd para, left hand side (bottom).

    http://www.exjws.net/museum/mason1.gif

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    http://www.exjws.net/museum/mason3.gif

    http://www.exjws.net/museum/mason4.gif

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    http://www.exjws.net/museum/mason6.gif

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    My question therefore is that since in view of this it would look highly unlikely that the first President of the WT Society would even today be an acceptable member of the organisation due to occultic practices which he obviously was involved with, how would Almighty God, who views any form of spiritism with deplorable distaste, use this individual to promote true worship on the planet in our times? Such a notion is truly preposterous.

    What say others?

    Kind regards

    Mark

  • Celtic
  • RR
    RR

    Why not ask C.T. Russell what he felt about free masonry?

    "My understanding is, that all of these are bundles, and each bundle is getting tighter. Some of you know a great deal more about Freemasonry than I do, and I am not here to say anything against it, because I do not know anything to say, and I do not know as I would say it if I did know it. The Lord did not send me to preach against Masonry or Odd Fellowship, nor against Presbyterianism or Methodism. Our opportunity is to tell the truth, to preach the true gospel of Christ, and the Lord says that this message is to have its effects on the different hearts. Now, if you find yourself in any kind of a bundle, you know that is not the program so far as the wheat is concerned. The wheat is to be gathered into the garner; it is not to be put into bundles in the present life. The wheat is to be free. If you find yourself in any kind of a bundle, better get out of the bundle." ?1908; Convention Question Meeting ("The Question Book" pg. 318)


    "This brings before us the whole question of orders, societies, etc., and what privileges the New Creation has in connection with such organizations. Is it right for them to be members of these societies? We answer that while Church associations are purely religious, and labor and beneficial organizations in general are purely secular, there are still other orders which combine the religious and the secular features. As we understand the matter, for instance, the Free Masons, Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, etc., perform certain rites and ceremonies of a religious kind... We admonish the New Creation to have nothing whatever to do with any of these semi-religious societies, clubs, orders, churches; but to "Come out from amongst them, and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing." (`2 Cor. 6:17`)" ?1904; "The New Creation", pp. 580-581


    "We note also that the Order of Free Masons, if judged by its past history, has some secret object or scheme, more than fraternity and financial aid in time of sickness or death. And, so far as we can judge, there is a certain amount of worship or mummery connected with the rites of this order and some others, which the members do not comprehend, but which, in many cases, serves to satisfy the cravings of the natural mind for worship, and thus hinders it from seeking the worship of God in spirit and in truth?through Christ, the only appointed Mediator and Grand Master. In proportion as such societies consume valuable time in foolish, senseless rites and ceremonies, and in substituting the worship of their officers, and the use of words and symbols which have no meaning to them, for the worship of God, in his appointed way?through Christ, and according to knowledge and the spirit of a sound mind?in that proportion these societies are grievous evils, regardless of the financial gains or losses connected with membership in them." ?1895; Zion's Watch Tower, June, 1895, pg. 143

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Thank you RR.

    Look, I am not going to argue with you, in fact I cannot see why you seem to have this vested interest in sidestepping the point thusfar that I have made.

    Let's keep this simple, rather than quoting from other articles, diluting the original message content.

    Is it true or is it not, that Russell in his discourse as stated on page one http://www.exjws.net/museum/mason1.gif

    3rd paragraph, left hand side (bottom) twice states that he was a Freemason? Simple? No, yes?

    Regards

    Mark

    Edited to move text for link to work

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    OK RR I can see your point, what you are driving at. Yes if you read it like that, what you say might be true. However the conveyance of how Russell was putting this across might have been put better, more clearly, though there again, why didn't he just do this in the first place, rather than giving rise to a suspicion that by his communicative language structure, leads one to believe in the face value?

    This still does not negate the fact of the use of these symbols upon Society buildings/meeting places or upon litureture and his resting place. (Never mind the masonic temple the other side of the road, I never knew of this)

    Regards

    Mark

  • got my forty homey?
    got my forty homey?

    I remember reading a book about this subject, and as mentioned the book has pictures of Russells tomb which is trianglangular witht the all seeing eye, like the dollar bill, and other masonic references in early Watchtowers.

    It reminded me of a movie with Peter Sellers called "Being There" in which his wealthy friend who was very polictically connected behind the scene's was also entombed in a very similiar tomb, with the all seeing eye. Another great movie that makes reference to the masons is "The Man who would be King" a great movie with Sean Connery and Micheal Caine.

    I think the Mason thing is a bunch of bunk. In my job many of my co workers are masons and all I think they do are meet once a week and get drunk. But I wonder could a witness today join the masons and also be a good member of standing with the JW's.

  • RR
    RR

    Celtic ask:

    Let's keep this simple, rather than quoting from other articles, diluting the original message content.

    Is it true or is it not, that Russell in his discourse as stated on page one http://www.exjws.net/museum/mason1.gif

    Yes, he did, but you must understand the context of his words. He was addressing the public, it was at a masnic hall. he admits in that same sermion that he knew very little about the masons, but knew some basics, and he spiritualized those basics to give a clear message about the Truth. He was in no way say "ys, I am a mem,ber of the masoic lodge." Again I ask, did you read the entire sermon, or just tha paragraph?

    Even some of the Watchtower staunches opponents will admit he was not admiting to be a mason.

    RR

  • RR
    RR

    For more non-Watchtower, non-Bibe Student material on this isue, I refer you to the anti-watchtower site: Watchtower Observer

    RR

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Cheers

    Celt

  • one_ugly_time
    one_ugly_time

    Celtic,

    I am currently researching this topic extensively. I believe he was very connected to Freemasonry. I can't figure out how to imbed stuff very well, so here is a cut/paste job to look at. If you want more links, let me know...

    http://newsletters.cephasministry.com/jwmasons1.99.html

    This is where Charles Taze Russell, 33rd Degree Freemason and founder
    of the Jehovah's Witnesses cult is buried.

    http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/pyr_3.jpg

    Here is a close-up of the JW pyramid clearly showing the Masonic Knight
    Templar symbol and the All-Seeing Eye of the Illuminati at the peak. (see the U.S. $1 Bill)

    Also, See http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/61168/1.ashx

    ugly

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