What is the hope of faithful ones of old - earthly or heavenly?

by truthseeker 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    The Watchtower Society teaches that anyone righteous who died before Jesus Christ was executed will have a resurrection to paradise earth. Any faifthful witness living after Jesus died, but around the same time frame, will have a heavenly resurrection.

    I cannot remember how the Society backs up its teachings on this subject, but on reading Hebrews 11:16 I noticed something very unusual...

    Let's get the context first and look at three different translations.

    NWT New American Bible King James Version

    Hebrews 11:13-16

    In faith, all of these died, although they did not get 13 All these died in faith, without 13 These all died in faith, not having

    the [fulfillment of the] promises, but they saw them receiving the promises, but having received the promises, but having

    afar off and welcomed them and publicly declared seen them and having welcomed seen them afar off, and were

    that they were strangers and temporary residents them from a distance and having persuaded of them, and embraced

    in the land. 14 For those who say such things give confessed that they were strangers them, and confessed that they were

    evidence that they are earnestly seeking a place and exiles on the earth. 14 For strangers and pilgrims on earth.

    of their own. 15 And yet, if they had indeed kept those who say such things make it 14 For they that say such things

    remembering that [place] from which they had clear that they are seeking a country declare plainly that they seek a

    gone forth, they would have had the opportunity of their own. 15 And indeed if they country. 15 And truly, if they had been

    to return. 16 But now they are reaching out for a had been thinking of that country mindful of that country from whence

    better [place], that is, one belonging to heaven. from which they went out, they they came out, they might have had

    Hence God is not ashamed of them, to be called would have had the opportunity to the opportunity to have returned.

    upon as their God, for he has made a city ready return. 16 But as it is, they desire a 16 But now they desire a better

    for them. better country, that is a heavenly one. country, that is, an heavenly:

    Therefore God is not ashamed to be wherefore God is not ashamed to be

    called their God for He has prepared called their God: for he hath prepared

    a city for them. for them a city.

    analyzing these scriptures tell us two things:

    1) Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac and Jacob were not all 'alien residents' where they lived. What I mean, is that Abel was the first human baby. At the time he became an adult, there were no national boundaries for the simple fact that there weren't enough people on the earth to form countries. Noah survived the Flood according to the Genesis account, and there were no countries either - just a tiny population of 8 people.

    So when these faithful ones who declare that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land/earth, they must have meant the whole earth, not just a foreign country. Which means, they felt they did not belong on earth.

    2) All three translations say these faithful ones of old are reaching out for a heavenly hope, where God had prepared a city for them. What is this city? Why would the Watchtower day that all these faithful ones are going to have an earthly resurrection, when it is obvious from the scriptures that they were more interested in a heavenly hope?

    Bearing in mind also, what one of the repentant robbers who was executed with Jesus said:

    Luke 23:42,32: And he went on to say: "Jesus, remember me when you get into your kingdom. 43 And he said to him

    "Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise."

    So, does this repentant wrongdoer get an earthly hope or a heavenly one? Who had died first?

    Consider the account in the gospel of John, the only apostle to actually record that Jesus did not have his legs broken.

    John 19:31-34 Then the Jews, since it was Preparation, in order that the bodies might not remain upon the torture

    stakes on the Sabbath, (for the day of that Sabbath was a great one,) requested Pilate to have their legs broken and

    the [bodies] taken away. 32 The soldiers came, therefore, and broke the legs of the first [man] and those of the other

    [man] that had been impaled with him. 33 But on coming to Jesus, as they saw that he was already dead, they did not

    break his legs. 34 Yet one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.

    Remember, the Society teaches that the repentant robber would enjoy life on earth, not heaven. Here, the scriptures clearly say that Jesus died first, as both robbers had to have their legs broken to hasten their death, but Jesus was already dead.

    Your feedback on this would be welcome.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    The Society is wrong....the faithful from before Christ also share heaven...just as all Christians do. They will have one shepherd and be one flock.

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    Ok, you may have been confused by those scriptures from all 3 translations. I tried to lay them out in a column approach, to make it easy to compare each translation side by side, but it appears a few lines have gone a bit askew when I clicked the submit button.

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    Yerusalyim, I never realized what the true meaning of these scriptures were - until I sat down one day and just read the Bible without any Bible Based publications.

    Amazing what u can learn.

    For my next topic, I will be posting Sociology and Jehovah's Witnesses.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    In order for Rutherford to build his mansion in San Diego - Beth Sarim - he had to write books etc that taught the faithful men of old would need a palace to live in when they came back to earth in 1925. If it was in the WT mags the R&F would send their money, the mansion could be built, then Rutherford could spend his last years in style. The deed is even in the names of the old men of old.

    If the R&F would only read their bibles like they brag they do instead of the WTs they would have seen as pointed out above that the Beth Sarim SCAM (intentional or not) was just another ruse in the list of many deceptions and lies by a big printing company in New York.

    Will

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