EARTHLY ORGANIZATION???

JUSTAMOM

Greetings to all:

How many times to we hear

EARTHLY ORGANIZATION that Jehovah is using.

VISIBLE this VISIBLE that!

SINCE WHEN???

Did not Jesus say, "MY KINGDOM WAS NO PART OF THIS WORLD?"
How can this organization be the one that is going to bring in the New Order when it is visible, earthly and LEGAL!

Anyone still have a proclaimers Book???

Notice page 205, the caption on the side in bold print.

Shouldn't that have told us something.

WAKE UP and smell the coffee.

An earthly organization is exactly what this group of so-called anointed have turned themselves over too.

Just how "FAITHFUL and DISCREET" do you call that

Just a thought

JUST A MOM (Kim)

logical

The "Earthly organisation" that is known as the WTBTS, was prophecied in the Bible.

Revelation 13:11 speaks of a Beast ascending out of the earth... with horns like a lamb, so as to appear lamb-like and speaks as a dragon.

You Know

How can this organization be the one that is going to bring in the New Order when it is visible, earthly and LEGAL!

You seem to be a little confused here Mom. God's kingdom is a heavenly institution. It is going to be the organization that replaces human governments and brings in a new world. The Watchtower Society is only a legal publishing entity that serves a limited purpose. The real earthly organization consists of those whose citizenship actually belongs in the heavens, whose names have been inscribed, as it were, among those who will rule with Christ from heaven. Even though it is a visible earthly association, because it is made of of spirit-begotten individuals, it is therefore the visible part of the heavenly organization. So, the connection is, that while these ones are upon the earth they constitute a visble aspect of the invisible realm. That's why Paul could refer to anointed Christians as being seated in the heavenly places even while upon earth. That's also why Jesus said that anyone that listened and accepted the message of his earthly ambassadors accepted him and Jehovah as well. As long then as there are representatives of that heavenly city upon the earth, it is proper to speak of a visible organization. / You Know

Francois

You Know, it's illegal to smoke that stuff in the first place.

To smoke it and then post a brain fart like that is just plain silly.

Franc

My $0.02

You Know

You would be well-advised to keep your two cents and save up and get at least a cheap life. / You Know

Lovingkindness

Hello "You know"

You are wrong when you say that the Kingdom will rule "over" the earth from heaven, you know. Recheck the Scripture at
Revelation 5:9-10 in your KIT. ( you do have one, don't you?) My advice to all JW is to do as 1 Thessalonians 5:21 warns us to do, and that is to "Make sure of all things". (which the WTS loves to advise other people to do, but not their own members to do concerning making sure of what they have been taught in the WTS. ) I find that the New World Translation has added words at various Scriptures, that do not have the equivalent Greek word there to support it. In this case, it is advisable to always check-up on any Scripture read out of the NWT especially the Greek Christian Scriptures and compare them with the KIT ( Kingdom Interlinear Translation which translates the Greek into English) Sometimes a word that the NWT inserts, which does not have the Greek word to support it, can slant the meaning of the Scripture to something else. ( be very cautious)

wannahelp

Hey You know:

What's gonna happen when the last of those ~ 8,000 "annointed remnants" passes on to Heaven in the next few years?

Does the "earthly organization" just dissapear altogether? (shhh, quiet everyone, applause noted, but You Know is thinking)

(Assuming of course that Armageddon hasn't happened by then, either visible or invisible <G>)

I heard somewhere that the GB has "created" a 3rd class of "Christian", and in fact I think there are a couple of this new class already on the GB, although I don't think they have voting rights yet...(They are learning for when they will be needed, after all the remnants goto heaven).. Hmmm, how can that be that you missed that very important piece of "Christian information" for all this time?? More new light saves the day I can only assume....

Gotta hand it to Jehovah.. He doesn't even trust his own "people" to have the knowledge neccesary to carry out the business of running his "Earthly organization".. He doesn't trust you guys.. What could you possibly have ever done to him that he doesn't trust you??? (False prophocies maybe?) If Jehovah doesn't trust you guys, why should I?

Or, is Jehovah, the god of order, just "winging it" and remembered about that pesky problem you guys are gonna have "down below" when you run out of remnants, and threw ya a bone -- Errr, new light..?

Or, here's a possibility.. Maybe Jehovah has absolutely nothing to do with your organization at all, and the GB realized about that pesky problem of how to keep the cult alive after all the self-appointed annointed ones die off (Hey, I created a rhime.. Self-appointed annointed <G>), and magically created a 3rd class of Christian, just like they created a 2nd class back in 1935 when they hit the 144,000 member, and realized that the 144,001 person in heaven would cause them a problem...

just a thought...

logical

You can buy life's?

I want one. But I dont want to buy one from the same place as You Know got his.

You Know

What's gonna happen when the last of those ~ 8,000 "annointed remnants" passes on to Heaven in the next few years? Does the "earthly organization" just dissapear altogether?

Those are actually two very good questions. The book of Isaiah has a rather extensive answer to that question, which not surprisingly, the Watchtower has never offered any commentary on that particular span of verses, for the simple reason that it presently remains that which Jehovah speaks of as being held in reserve. So I shall reserve comment on it as well. But, I will say that there is a brief period of time when there is no earthly representative of the hevenly kingdom. That is Scriptural. And, that's why we read in Revelation that the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven, the obvious implication being that no remnant of it exists on earth at that time that it's rule is spread over mankind like a protetive tent. Hope that helps. / You Know

ozziepost

G'day Kim,

I know Mrs Ozzie would applaud your comment. She became right p****d off with how many times she heard the expression 'earthly organisation' at any meeting or assembly.

Like you, she could only find the Kingdom spoken about in the Bible. Just where that Kingdom is, is a moot point. You Know is quite WRONG when he says: "that's why we read in Revelation that the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven, the obvious implication being that no remnant of it exists on earth at that time that it's rule is spread over mankind like a protetive tent." There's nothing in that passage to support the notion that the 'Government' comes down to the earth, and that there are no representatives of that 'government' here at the time. Revelation 21:2 is a picture of the "Holy City" which combines elements of Jerusalem, the temple, and the Garden of Eden. There's no mention of 144,000 here.

You Know is also wrong when he states: As long then as there are representatives of that heavenly city upon the earth, it is proper to speak of a visible organization. If a person is a representative or an Ambassador, how can they be termed the organisation? That doesn't make sense. They are a representative of the organisation, not the organisation.

From what I have heard from individuals in recent years, Mrs Ozzie and JustaMom are not alone. So many sisters in the congregations find this 'organisation' thing a real turn-off.

Is that what you have found?

Cheers,
Ozzie

"Truth persuades by teaching, but does not teach by persuading."
TERTULLIAN, Adversus Valentinianos

EARTHLY ORGANIZATION???

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