Just wait until they find out the elders won't let them have a KH Funeral..

by Elsewhere 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Only baptised JWs in good standing can do that....

    http://www.redding.com/top_stories/local/20040330toplo012.shtml

    Crash kills off-road racer

    Mom says he was near lead, may have pushed too hard

    Alex Breitler

    Record Searchlight



    March 30, 2004 ? 2:07 a.m.SHASTA DAM ? Minutes from crossing the finish line of a nearly 28-mile off-road race, a Redding man was killed when he was thrown from his motorcycle into a hillside, investigators and race organizers said Monday.

    Although he wore a helmet and all the proper racing gear, 21-year-old Travis Kent Hagler died at the scene of Sunday's Shasta Dam Hare Scrambles, officials said.

    Hagler was one of about 100 "Class C" bikers competing in the last race of the day. A race for more experienced Class A and Class B riders had been held earlier.

    "He had already gone around (the course) once," said organizer Kevin Dauphinee of Redding. "He was just about done with his second lap. He had all the gear, and we do a complete technical inspection of the bike to make sure the brakes worked, and the clutch.

    "The bike was fine," he said. "It was just a freak accident."

    Hagler was motoring down the dirt and gravel Coram Road on the west side of the Sacramento River when the accident occurred between 2 and 2:45 p.m., according to differing accounts from the Shasta County coroner's office and race officials.

    A biker following from behind saw Hagler lose control and fly off the motorcycle, said deputy coroner Mike Booth.

    "He just lost it," Booth said.

    Other bikers stopped to help, aided by emergency medical technicians and law enforcement on hand for the race.

    Authorities said they didn't know how fast Hagler was racing. A pair of investigators returned to the scene Monday for follow-up investigation.

    Hagler's mother, Deborah Mabry of Redding, said her son was passing other bikers, was close to the lead and might have pushed too hard.

    "He could taste that win," she said Monday. "He just went a little beyond his ability."

    The race officially ended with Hagler in the top 20.

    But his mother pointed to a string of recent motor vehicle deaths and pleaded with young people to be more careful.

    "It's not always best to be the winner," she said. "It's an endurance race we're running. Don't risk your life."

    Hagler grew up in the north state, attending Meadow Lane School, Anderson Middle School and Anderson High School before moving to Calaveras County prior to graduation in 2001.

    He went to a technical school in Anaheim and then returned to Redding, working for a drywall business.

    If he wasn't on a motorcycle, he might have been snowboarding or competing in just about any other sport, his mother said.

    "He loved life, he loved people and he loved the outdoors," she said.

    Hagler was studying to become a Jehovah's Witness, she said, and was looking forward to his baptism.

    Brian Packham, president of the Redding Dirt Riders club, said the death was the first he could remember in any of the club's races. He said it shouldn't affect the future of the scrambles, which may be in jeopardy due to an unrelated policy change by the U.S. Forest Service.

    Packham said nothing could have been done to prevent the death.

    Ironically, winner Ronnie Naylor said before the race that he would donate any winnings to the family of another dirt biker killed earlier this year. Christopher Fishtrom died in February when he was struck by a train in Shasta Lake. He left behind a 5-year-old son and a pregnant wife.

    "Danger is inherent" in off-roading and other sports, Packham said. "This is something that could happen to anyone at any time."

  • Amazing1914
    Amazing1914

    ... and even if he were a baptized JW, the Society governed "conscience" of the Elders would not allow them to perform a funeral of a JW who showed such disresepct for his own life by engaging in risky behavior ...

  • Joker10
    Joker10

    One must not be a baptized Witness to have a JW funeral. An unbaptizd friend of my parents died last month and had one. The same for the late singer Selena.

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu
    One must not be a baptized Witness to have a JW funeral. An unbaptizd friend of my parents died last month and had one.

    I believe Joker10 is correct. Apparently, when my dad dies, mom's going to arrange a JW funeral for him even though he's not a JW.

  • shotgun
    shotgun

    Elsewhere this is usually when they have it at the KH and invite several congregations to show up so that they can love bomb all the friends and relatives of the deceased.

    This of course after the funeral talk which dealt with what this poor guy's future hope was since associatings with the dubs and about five minutes on him personally.

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    From what I have seen ones who are just associationg or not baptized do not have funerals at the KH, but sometimes a brother will give a brief talk at a funeral home if the relatives are witnesses of the person. I did one time years ago see a congregation give a funeral for a non-baptized son who was not living a JW lifestyle. His parents and family were all hard core JWs. I saw the same situation in another congo in the past couple of years and the funeral was not allowed. (Has the society changed their view on this one too?) That rather upset me and does even more so now. My God, what kind of a church does not sympathize with their own members when their child or dear loved one has died? And if your relative is DFd forget it--no witnesses will come to comfort you or your family. The more I think of it the more PO'd I get. WHERE IS THE LOVE?

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Certainly in the UK, in my experience, it is down to local elders whether they conduct a funeral or not. it would also depend on just how far he had got in his studies .

    BTW , A young unbaptised man once took his own life. The local body of Pharisees declined to conduct his funeral and left his geaving mother distraught. A more enlightened elder from another local congo stepped up and volunteered to take it. He got his witness cremation.

  • sandy
    sandy

    A relative of mine had a JW funeralin the KH last year, he was an unbaptized publisher.

    I know a girl who died about 6 years ago and she couldn't have a JW funeral in the KH. I do not remember if she ever got baptized or not. I just remember my brother telling me she couldn't have a JW service in the kingdom hall because she wasn't in "good standing".

  • SadElder
    SadElder

    It's true the local body will decide, based on the "notariety" of a particular case, whether or not the KHall can be used. As to a funeral at a Funeral Home, that generally is left up to the individual elder, though some hard-nosed congregations might like to have some say or all the say.

    In the past I have done funerals for some who others might not have, suicides, etc. However I believe funerals are for the living. Caring for people is our real assignment, I think, from Jehovah. Non-JW, JW, fading JW. All have the need for kindness and fellow-feeling. Something the WTBS is sorely missing these days.

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    I agree sad elder funerals are for the living. I always attended funerals even of non-witnesses even if they were in a church--though some have told me you could get in serious trouble for that. When I was a witness I figured it was a good witness to be there to comfort others no matter what their beliefs and that maybe they would be more willing to talk to me later about spiritual things.

    I remember an question in the WT not too long ago about a woman who might be asked to attend by her non-beliving husband to attend a funeral with him."suggested" that she talk to her husband and reason with him why this would be difficult for her to do and maybe the non-believing husband would understand. Well, if you ask me that is a lot to ask--Sorry dear I can't attend your mother's funeral. How insensitive--I imagine that little "suggestion" caused a lot of heartache and damage to some marriages.

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