"Sharing" a piece of myself - part 3

by Tallyman 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman

    If you don't want to read the small text, I've made an identical webpage
    to the print appearing below @
    * http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/Sharing3.html
    where the text and font are larger and more legible.
    ____________________________________________________

    What a Swift Kick In The GUT, from COMF!

    I had read the horrible comments about me from the H2O and Usenet
    Watchtower fanatics like You Know, Friday/Yadrif, Jabriol, Richmac, etc...
    and expected as much from these cultists who hoped I got the electric chair,
    (imagine what they'd be saying now, if a jury had found me "Guilty" ?
    ...because look what they ARE saying now after a "Not Guilty" verdict)
    but I don't remember ever having exchanged an unpleasant word with COMF.
    I had looked on COMF as a friend.

    (but, as I said at the beginning of this "sharing", these kinds of tragedies
    have a way of changing people, drastically changing people,
    people you thought you knew)

    And then, this comment from COMF, right in the middle of the most anxious,
    uncertain, terrible moments of my life (when I needed support the most) :
    __________________________________________

    He is a very soft-spoken and sensitive guy ...(Farkel's words)

    Hmm... for a while there I thought you were talking about the Talleyman,
    but this Kalm Koncerned Karacter you describe Kan't be the King of the Killer
    Kult busters!

    Another case of aggression emerging
    from behind the shields of internet distance and invisibility?

    COMF


    __________________________________________

    Kick a man when he's down, oh Noble Captain?

    A slam, because Farkel heard a soft-spoken voice on the other end of the line,
    with what he perceived as a degree of gentility, which some say Southerners
    are known for? ... but which didn't match up with the KultKrimeFighter
    Tallyman persona, I'm supposedly hiding behind?

    So, what cloak or shield of invisibility am I wearing Captain Fantastic-
    oh, I mean Captain Fate?

    Who the hell is hiding here? I've been online exposing the Watchtower since
    1992 and have never once hidden behind anything, at any "distance".
    I've never assumed anonymity. Have you? Who is COMF? Just an acronym?
    I know what it stands for, but Who are YOU? I don't recall ever reading your
    real name. It is invisible to me.

    I've posted my real name, my personal information/vital statistics so many
    times over the years, I couldn't count the times I've posted it.
    Here. I'll do it again. Out in the Open. Not from a Distance.

    Thomas Farrar Talley (Tom F. Talley) (Tommy Talley)
    303 Holland Road
    Fuquay-Varina, NC 27526
    USA
    (919) 552-0492 . . . I've always been listed in phone book. Never Unlisted.
    E-Mail: [email protected]
    E-Mail: [email protected]
    Born: October 18, 1951
    Birth Place: Raleigh, North Carolina
    Time of Birth: 6:45 PM (twilight)
    Sex: Male
    Height: 6' 1"
    Weight: 175 lbs
    Hair: Reddish-Blonde (what's left of it...)
    Eyes: Gray
    Marital Status: Single
    Social Security Number: Hell, I forgot it!

    Is that Close Up Enough and Visible Enough and UnShielded Enough
    for you, COMF?

    All these years I've put that information out there, I've wanted the
    Watchtower and its Devotees to know who is saying these things about them,
    and that if they want me, here I am, they can try and come get me.
    To do this, to post Openly as a Real Person criticizing the Watchtower
    is not everyone's way,
    (others have their reasons to remain anonymous because of the WT)
    but it is My Way.

    I feel, to do what I do as an Open and Visible Real Person with a Real Name
    flies in the face of the Watchtower society's claims of
    being "theatrical spectacles to the world"
    "out in the open on the world stage"
    "lifting the basket off the light and letting their light shine"... BULLSHIT!

    They are God-Damned Gutless Cowards Hiding Behind That Shield
    of Invisibility and Anonymity you mention above.
    THEY do their dirty work from the Distance.

    I was called "Tallyman" back in Junior High School, for chrissakes!
    Here, on the Internet, I've tried to create a 'schtick', a comedic device to draw attention to the cult of the Watchtower, hence the use of the 'K' and the 'sch' and other devices. I've not hidden behind a persona or any other damn thing. I'm out there. I've tried to be the very antithesis of "anonymous", or
    "invisible". I certainly ain't hiding or shielding myself from whatever comes.

    How 'bout you, COMF?
    Are you hiding COMF?
    Who are you, besides the persona, CaptainOfMyFate?
    Hiding behind an acronym, are ye?
    (which just recently, thanks to Timothy McVeigh, I learned more of the origin
    of your chosen persona - hybridized from the poem INVICTUS, which the
    newspaper Tuesday of this week, printed in its entirety. I stand by that thread
    I posted about INVICTUS.
    * http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/Invictus.html
    * http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6768&site=3
    What an Arrogant, Presumptuous Piece of Crap!)

    Looking at your "profile" on Simon's board, COMF, I'm a bit puzzled.

    What's with the email address you use, COMF?

    [email protected]

    I don't know.
    Is it? Is it you or not? Who are you? Do we have to guess?
    and the '@hotmail.com' ?
    What's up with that, COMF? A Hotmail email address?
    THAT'S Out in the Open and Visible?

    and the:
    Forename: Captain
    Surname: Fate

    Shit, dude, you're hiding from something or someone . . .

    But the thing you said in your H2O Slam about "aggression"...
    maybe I interpreted that badly, but from your reply
    to the context of Farkel's thread, I saw that as you implying
    I was the aggressor, in the family tragedy
    Farkel and I had talked about on the phone...
    that maybe you were referring obliquely to my "case" and that maybe
    my "aggressive" Tallyman KKF persona had spilled over into Real Life...
    that it had "emerged" ... and fantasy became reality?

    Or did I misunderstand you there, COMF?

    See, by that time, when you wrote that last August, since the tragedy
    when I acted in Self-Defense against my brother -
    as the Victim against the Aggressor -
    I had realized that the lofty principle of "The Presumption of Innocence",
    commonly known as the saying: "Innocent Unless Proven Guilty"...
    which most people give lip service to, had really, in my hard experience,
    proved to be just the opposite. When most people in my life had the chance
    to apply that principle in my case, most people didn't.

    And then the lip service people pay to the "Right of Self-Defense"... what a load!
    The same folk who sit around sipping coffee and saying what they would do
    "if so and so ever broke into my house or tried to rob me or hijack my car,
    or whatever, boy would I let them have it, if I ever got thrust into a situation
    with No Way Out, boy would I really defend myself with extreme prejudice,
    and on and on and blah, blah, blah,..."

    Naww, these same people, when they were told of my case of Self-Defense,
    well, all that shit they'd said went straight out the window, and I'm looked upon
    with suspicion, and the ol' switcheroo kicked in:
    "Guilty Unless Proven Innocence"

    Ahh, how people change. How quickly they revert. How fickle they can be.

    Maybe I read your short and hard words, wrong, COMF, but it looked to me
    like you fell in with that same group of people. Anyway, what I read from you
    that day, from someone I thought a friend, at a time when my Enemies were
    'piling on'... well, what you wrote, ain't what I needed to see.

    I'm glad you were not sitting in my jury.

    But maybe, just maybe I could be wrong about you, COMF.
    Maybe I'm overreacting and am being too "sensitive", and I told someone
    just the other day they were too thin-skinned and I told Somebody a while
    back that I don't Offend easily at all.
    But those words of yours, hurt.

    And I know, I know, you wrote only a few words... but a few words can have
    a Great Impact upon a person, yes? Consider the poem INVICTUS.
    Just a few lines, but those few words have had a huge impact on people.
    Consider Timothy McVeigh and yourself, and others.

    But, am I wrong about you? What I said above... am I?
    Maybe you posted something later on H2O, what with you maybe being soft
    and tender and sensitive enough to my feelings to think that maybe I had
    taken your words the wrong way...
    but I kept reading H2O and never saw a "retraction" by you.
    Might I have missed it?

    But what you said was when I was Under That Dark Cloud Of Suspicion.

    But months later, when a Jury of Twelve of My Peers, who were, in a way,
    captains of my fate - because they surely had a hand in deciding for me
    what a good-sized chunk of my earthly fate would be - and after deliberating,
    they decided my fate, and declared me: "Not Guilty",
    thus exonerating me of having been Falsely Accused.
    Among the many who I read congratulating me on my court victory
    and vindication, I failed to read any 'well-wishes-words' from you, COMF.
    Might I have missed that, too?

    All this has been bothering me a long time, COMF, and then reading the
    newspaper Tuesday, seeing the print text and images of the step-by-step
    execution of Timothy McVeigh, ...because, in my mind I was there,
    in that execution chamber, where my enemies wanted me.

    THAT could have been me strapped to the gurney with intravenous tubes
    stuck in my limbs, delivering the poisons to execute me, if my sisters,
    the cops and prosecutor had gotten their way.

    And then to see INVICTUS in print - the Last Words of Timothy McVeigh...
    YOUR words, too, COMF ... well, all this that's been bothering me since
    last August, came flooding back.

    _________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________

    Well, Do I get ANY ( ( ( H u g s ) ) ) YET ?

    .
    (edited to add a web address)

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Consider yourself hugged.

    Maximus

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    Tallyman, and consider yourself hugged again. ***HUGS***

    Although our experience was much less severe than yours, I fully understand the "guilty until proven innocent" line of thought that prevails at many times.

    Several years ago, my husband was accused of an action (not even a crime) that he did not commit. The woman making the accusation was determined to make her accusation stick so that she could use the act as a stepping stone for more serious charges in the future.

    The court should have thrown the case out, but they didn't, and we went through several years of absolute hell trying to get things straightened out.

    I feel real sympathy for anyone who has had to run the gauntlet of the "justice" system.

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Tallyman

    I had read the horrible comments about me from the H2O and Usenet Watchtower fanatics like You Know, Friday/Yadrif, Jabriol, Richmac, etc...and expected as much from these cultists who hoped I got the electric chair,(imagine what they'd be saying now, if a jury had found me "Guilty" ? ...because look what they ARE saying now after a "Not Guilty" verdict)....

    What makes it so easy for you to stretch the truth I guess Tallyman is that perhaps you think that there's no way of checking up on the accuracy of what you say here. I might remind you that there are ways to show that you lie a lot, being that there were those who recorded the full contents of the old H20 over onto CD.

    You make the claim that I, Friday/yadirF, made horrible comments about you over at the old H20 and hoped that you got the electric chair. That's a lie that you decided to drop into your story so as to plant into the minds of others as they read your story that ole Friday/yadirF is nothing but a no good rat. That tactic is common among those who are less than truthful and wish to ruin the reputation of others. If I were you, I would either make a correction and admit that your imagination had taken over or produce the proof for your claim. Now, it's one or the other ... either it's your imagining such a thing or it's true. If you say it's true, then I am calling you a liar.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    Carefull Yaduff - Tally said:

    "Born: October 18, 1951
    Birth Place: Raleigh, North Carolina
    Time of Birth: 6:45 PM (twilight)
    Sex: Male
    Height: 6' 1"
    Weight: 175 lbs"

    That's a bloody big baby by anyones standards and that was way back in 1951, imagine how big Tom is now.

    seriously though - I thought you'd said some pretty low things about Talley on the old H20. That idiot You Know certainly did and I've had occation to demolish evil immoral liars like jabarseole, richmad and mean misery musturd on dejavu over more serious issues than Talleys predicament. (I can't even process sentences about those fake watchtower defenders without the blood boiling and four letter vitriol spurting forth.)

    Can you find that thread where you commented on Talley? (I know you are computer elegant and keep good records ;)

    ***

    Talley - I noted the Captains comment about you when it was made and have been curious about it ever since. I said little about you during all of it other than squash a few obvious untruths because we'd never met. Your critisism of COMF is a tad harsh and unwarranted in several areas - he may never have revealed his real name on the net (I'm still reluctant to show mine too often) but comf has given us numerous photos of himself, his boys, his girlfriends etc.. Comf is a pillar of the ex-jw community and has done a tremendous amount of good work, exposing watchtower lies and foolish reasoning in general. His head is in reality, his feet are on firm ground and his heart is sound. I don't doubt he may have thought the worse or may still think that your personality was/is aggressive and the firey passion with which you fight the evil empire had spilt over into your personal life - I admit I felt that possibility too but refrained from posting anything that way due to people like Focus and Farkel who knew you more than me and the implications such talk would have for anti-cult fighters all over the net. I am so glad you've posted your full story and all such thoughts are once and for all layed to rest. (oops .. freudian slip ;) Determined to make me read Inviktikus aren't ya! OK, una momento. .. as long as I don't have to talk to Cygnus.

    hug #3 / unclebruce part 3786

  • ianao
    ianao

    yadirf:

    That's a lie that you decided to drop into your story so as to plant into the minds of others as they read your story that ole Friday/yadirF is nothing but a no good rat. That tactic is common among those who are less than truthful and wish to ruin the reputation of others.

    I haven't seen you do anything but run around screaming 'liar liar liar' and trying to police people's thought processes.

    YOUR POSTS are why I personally have an extremely low opinion of you. Nothing more. Direct me to ONE POST you have made on this board that is positive. And when I say positive, I mean in the common sense of the word. Not some silly posts telling others that they can repent and return to the tower or else die.

    NOTE:

    Before you even think about it, I don't give a white rat's ass about any opinion you may have of me. Thank you.

    -ianao

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    To UB

    seriously though - I thought you'd said some pretty low things about Talley on the old H20.

    Like I've already said, I never opened my yapper about the guy over on the old H20, if I had I wouldn't be claiming otherwise. You are obviously confused, or have a poor memory also. I gave Tallyman the opportunity to "make a correction and admit that your imagination had taken over or produce the proof for your claim." So far he's done neither. He's as quite as a little mouse. Wonder why????

    Can you find that thread where you commented on Talley? (I know you are computer elegant and keep good records ;)

    No, I can't. Why? Because no such thread exists wherein I said anything at all about Tallyman's situation over on the old H20.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    To Ianao

    I haven't seen you do anything but run around screaming 'liar liar liar' and trying to police people's thought processes.

    One reason for that is that there is so many things claimed that are simply not true.

    Direct me to ONE POST you have made on this board that is positive.

    If you would spend more time at your favorite pastime you would know that you have made a ridiculous assertion. How about the exchanges between me and Silentlambs regarding that '97 WT? Obviously you didn't see that one. It was one that wound up with HIM having accused me of being dishonest ... in other words he in a nice sort of way called me a liar. Then there was the thread that I initiated regarding the so-called "murder letter". Obviously you didn't read that thread either. It concluded with my having challenged Farkel to go to the authorities with that letter if he thought that it was all that one needed to know in order to reach a verdict. Guess what? Farkel never returned to the thread. Why? Because I called his hand to either put up or shut up, and he decided it best to shut up.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    You're right Yadirf, I am confused and have a different memory - thanks for responding. I'm interested to see those threads again.

    cheers, unc.

  • COMF
    COMF
    I had looked on COMF as a friend.

    I'm glad to know that. I figured you for a friend, too, as much as online posters can ever get to be friends.

    I know what it stands for, but Who are YOU? I don't recall ever reading your
    real name.

    It would tell you nothing. What you know about me, you know from my words online, not from a name. I am, in real life, the personality that you see on here.

    What's with the email address you use, COMF?
    [email protected]
    I don't know.
    Is it? Is it you or not? Who are you? Do we have to guess?
    and the '@hotmail.com' ?
    What's up with that, COMF? A Hotmail email address?
    THAT'S Out in the Open and Visible?

    I created it a couple of years ago, when Gary LaMotta was going through one of his spells of posting as several different personalities, and H2O had become obsessed with figuring out who was behind what names. I thought the whole thing was so funny/silly, that I decided to do a parody on it. I created the email address, and then got an extra identity on H2O under it. I was going to carry on conversations with myself, and give blatant clues (the email name itself was to be one) but then I lost interest in it and never went through with it. Later, I decided I'd rather use a hotmail account than my regular one when publishing my email online. Since I already had that one set up, I just used it. Besides, I just like the sound of it.

    Shit, dude, you're hiding from something or someone . . .

    In part 1 of your story, you said this:

    No one else, in my immediate or extended family ever converted to the jehovah Witnesses.

    That being the case, it's understandable that you would so easily overlook the obvious reason why I don't reveal my name and particulars online. I have a son still in. He is a very zealous witness; extremely so. But for reasons only he knows, he does not shun me or his disfellowshipped brother. I expect that if he knew of my activity as COMF, that would change. I'd rather it didn't.

    I saw that as you implying I was the aggressor, in the family tragedy...

    Or did I misunderstand you there, COMF?

    You did misunderstand. See my answer to part 2.

    I'm glad you were not sitting in my jury.

    Being the kind of guy who doesn't make up his mind on a matter and take sides based on nothing more than a little bit of second- or third-hand hearsay he read on the internet, Tom, I am the ideal person to have been sitting on your jury, and you'd have been very lucky to have me.

    And then to see INVICTUS in print - the Last Words of Timothy McVeigh... YOUR words, too, COMF ... well, all this that's been bothering me since last August, came flooding back.

    I understand. I can see how that would happen.

    Tom, if a rapist calls what he does "making love," that doesn't expose love as being a hateful, abhorrent, abusive thing. Nor does McVeigh's misapplication of that poem cause it to lose any of its dignity and meaning.

    I'm glad you got all this out of you and down on paper. Good man, good man! I gotta tell you, though, I didn't realize when I answered part 2, that part three was going to be where you unloaded full force on me. What's waiting in part 4?

    COMF

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