Sorrows

by ozziepost 3 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    From the OT come these words from the great Messianic prophecy:

    "Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.

    But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

    We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way, and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." ? Isaiah 53:4-6 (NIV)

    All of Israel (and humanity) were sinners and the belief was that infirmities were a ?natural? result of these sins. They were, as it were, "stricken by God", yet the Messiah would be like a scapegoat to bear their sins. The infirmities they suffered added to their sorrows.

    Notice, though, that the sins to be carried by the messiah are not limited to those inherited from Adam (often referred to by the WTS as "Adamic sin"). We read of "our transgressions", "our iniquities", "we all have gone astray", and "each of us has turned to his own way". Ultimately they may be the consequences of original sin, but sin continued in them.

    The Witness view, in practice

    , seems to be quite different. To a dub, all of humankind are born in sin i.e. all have inherited Adamic sin and so are imperfect. But are they sinners in their lives now? They acknowledge being imperfect, but seem hesitant about declaring they are sinners.

    This view influences the way that transgressions are handled in the dub congregations. The elders? manual defines many "gross sins": these are basically sins that the individual may be disfellowshiped for and must be dealt with by a judicial committee. All other sins, lesser sins, are not dealt with and the WTS seems unconcerned about them. Even with the "gross sins", some are more commonly dealt with than others e.g. fornication compared with greed.

    What this means for the individual transgresser is that they must face a committee of men who don?t see themselves as sinners except that they are "imperfect" and have inherited Adamic sin. It is difficult for men in such a position, a superior one, to demonstrate fellow feeling, let alone mercy. Abuses of power result and these are well-documented both on JWD and other sites like Freeminds and Silentlambs.

    Compare this with the committing of willful sins in Isaiah 53 "each of us has turned to his own way". They weren?t overcome by sin, nor unintentionally overtaken by sin, but they "turned to sin". Now visualise a judicial committee meeting where an individual has been accused of fornication. Did they go after it? If so, the committee will most likely DF the transgressor. Yet is that what is spoken of in Isaiah 53? To the WTS the sorrows that result from sin must include the punishment exacted by a sometimes heartless committee of elders.

    But in Isaiah 53, the sorrows that result from afflictions derive from the sins themselves. These sorrows the Messiah took on himself in behalf of all humankind, all of whom are sinners.

    One way of dealing with sorrows is forgiveness. Dubs miss out on this because of their mistaken view of who sinners really are ? all of us.

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    That " imperfect" thing is the jw mindset of denial - sounds like "nearly perfect"

    whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it

    "imperfect" - what a load of crapology

  • zen nudist
    zen nudist

    the first lie easily accepted is the concept of sin.... how can anyone be judged a sinner except by comparison to something unreal, someones arbitrary fantasy ideal. reality is exactly as it must be at all times, not as we wish it to be. just because 90% of poker hands are losers does not mean the game is unfair and just because things are not as you imagine they could be does not mean that reality is in any way unfair. everyone lives by the very same laws of physics and those laws make some of us losers in the game and some winners, but that is not a mark of imperfection, its just the nature of reality.

    by getting people to reject their true nature and real lives, false ideas can be cause people to feel "negative" emotions and seek out irrational solutions so that they can feel "positive" emotions. religions prey upon this false notion that life should always been positive and if not, something is wrong and one needs a god to fix things so that reality will one day always be glowing, positive and sunny... so that the streets are paved with gold and no body ever grows old....etc.

    if you stop comparing the world you find as you live it to some arbitrary ideal, the perfection of reality can be seen, this is the mystical oneness with GOD that most mystics have pointed to since the beginning of history and which has been distorted and not understood by the masses who cannot accept that some things such as murder, rape and child abuse can be ever considered perfect by any means....yet they are real and by standard of comparison to nothing but reality, they are just as you find them... no different from the storms that destroy and kill and maime millions every year.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    that was beautiful. And quite accurate. Thank you.

    Your servant and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

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