I've discovered something..........

by desib77 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • desib77
    desib77

    about myself.....

    I think I'm a very judgemental person and that really bothers me. It's only in regard to religon though....

    For example, yesterday, after my husband and I had watched The Passion, I was all pumped up about religon, so thankful that Jesus had died for me and and ready to start trying to better myself. That evening my husband got really ticked off at someone who had pulled out in front of us almost causing an accident and cussed them out. That's when I started tellling him that he shouldn't use language like that. Who am I to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do? I can't believe I even acted like that. His language has never bothered me before.

    I'm hoping that this personality trait stems from my JW background and that I can overcome it. I don't want to be a judgemental person. It just isn't right.

    Has anyone else had similar feelings? How did you overcome it?

    Desi

  • boa
    boa

    yes i've been a judgmental sob for most of my life. I was a good student at the jw school of how to not be a true christian. I am only thankful that my REAL person inside eventually broke out and now the judgmental pendulum has swung way the OTHER way which isn't necessarily so hot either but it is where I feel safest.

    I was a real arrogant self-righteous bastard at times in the past and finding the troof about such sad behaviour came slowly and still rears its ugly head once in a while, triggering shortly thereafter an anti-reaction so as to come back to reality.

    boa....will always be an sob in one way or another....

  • gumby
    gumby
    I think I'm a very judgemental person and that really bothers me. It's only in regard to religon though....

    First of all.....being judgemental is a big word. Do you think being judgemental of Hitler would be wrong......or Ted Bundy? Certain groups and certain people that are a danger to human life, are despised and judged by others for good reason.

    Gumby

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    Perhaps you mean you are "intolerant"? Most fundy's are intolerant of other's beliefs, hence their actions. This was one of my reasons for leaving the dubbies was their egotistical intolerance.

    carmel of the supertolerant class

  • poppers
    poppers

    Being judgemental is not something that a person "is", but rather is a "point of view" that flows through the identity structure one has constructed for oneself, which is dependent upon the conditioning one has received in growing up - the values one has adopted through family/societal/educational/and religious influence, among others. Ask yourself, "What is it that recognizes that I have been judgemental?" Which seems more "you", being judgemental or that which recognizes the judgement? And just what is this "thing" that does the recognizing of anything? What would life be like if one remained in "that which recognizes" everything which happens - in short, what would life be like without an identity structure? It's the identity structure (what I call ego) that keeps people in separation from one another. It's the ego which gets its dander up when its assumptions and beliefs are challenged. The ego sees threats hiding behind every tree and is ready to defend itself at the drop of a hat. And its the ego that will do everything/anything possible to ensure its survival. And the ego exists not only on an individual level but at all levels of society, including all religions as well as nations. You have asked an important question - how to overcome it. And you have found the answer, though you may not realize it yet. The answer is basically very simple: just become alert to the arising of judgement of ANY kind. Once there is that recognition/awareness of judgement it is easy to simply drop it all together, knowing that it is part of the "story of me" that has been believed to be true. Judgement is an echo of the past rearing its head. Stay out of the past and remain with "what is". But be gentle with yourself in this process, and don't become hard on yourself when you fail, for that will be judgement coming in the back door. All there is is now, so why not stay there? Peace

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Poppers, you have a couple Personal Messages from me (should be in upper left hand corner of your screen, just under your name).

    j

  • seeitallclearlynow
    seeitallclearlynow

    desi - I think I know what you mean, me too. I'm seriously working on it, toward other people, not religion specifically. Good points, thanks for the thread.

    Boa - me too. Whenever I run across people who seem to view things and people the way I did, and I can "see" how others saw me all those years, what a revelation! Oh well, moving forward in kindness...toward collective "you" and me.

    poppers and James Thomas, I believe I'm starting to get "it" - you both talk along the same lines as my brother. He used to be so hard to take, as much as I love him; but he was always on this other "plane" that I could not access or grasp - but it's getting clearer.

    Thanks you guys!

  • flower
    flower

    I used to be very judgemental but now I have the opposite problem..I just dont give much of a damn about what anyone says or does.

    In my opinion, judgementalism is a direct result of lack of understanding. Having been through hell and back in my life I can pretty much relate to most people in one way or another so instead of being quick to judge I think of a time in my life when I did the same thing they are doing.

    Like a couple weekends ago when a friend and co worker sat me down and told me he was gay. Rather than giving him the 'OMG you bastard how could you lie so much!' response that he had gotten from others (since he pretended to be straight and borderline homophobic around all of us), we ended up talking for a while about how hard it is to put on an act for the whole world while trying to keep the reality of who you are a secret. I could totally relate after growing up a jw and telling more than my share of lies to keep it a secret, so it was not possible for me to judge him for blatantly lying to me for the past couple of years about himself.

    If someone does happen to do something I disagree with or wouldnt do, at the very least I try to think 'what would I do in under the same circumstances'. if I cant say in all honestly that I wouldnt do the same thing then how can I judge. I always try to think of the whole picture.

    Besides I'm just too lazy to judge, its an exhausting hobby.

    flower, of the 'just dont give a $h!t class'

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    I have to agree with Flowers that not caring in the sense of not hanging on to any opinions is the way to go.

    Poppers said:

    Being judgemental is not something that a person "is", but rather is a "point of view" that flows through the identity structure one has constructed for oneself .. It's the identity structure (what I call ego) that keeps people in separation from one another.
    I would simply say it is identification with structure or form, which is a slightly different thought from identity structure - as the actual structure isn't as important as whether you identify with it. In this case thought forms that creates the phenomenon of ego, since it doesn't really exist as an entity - it's just this dynamic, an activity.
    You have asked an important question - how to overcome it. And you have found the answer, though you may not realize it yet. The answer is basically very simple: just become alert to the arising of judgement of ANY kind.
    But is judgement (or intolerance even) bad, something you need to get rid of? What is there to say it is something that needs to be overcome except another judgement? See it becomes very subtle doesn't it, it's tricky to frame this stuff with ideas. It should be pointed out that what judgement is is essentially unconscious, simplistic information processing. You've got your little standard of judgement, and then you compare something you see with it and basically you just have either approval (if it fits) or disapproval - of course meanwhile reality is as it is regardless of what you think of it. Funny it should be the other way around - ones standard of truth should really be based on that, why should reality conform to how you think? It may sound funny, but by 'not caring' I simply mean not taking it seriously. Even if it's not intended in this way, when a statement such as being aware of judgement or thoughts, breath or anything comes across as a technique, something to do, then you're stuck again. It's just one thought leading to another, even if it is a very subtle state of consciousness. Of course when you're there with someone in real time you can just ask a very simple and open question to actually inquire, that's kind of hard to do in a post since it would probably not last very long if anything. But remember that "don't know mind", it's not knowing that frees you from identification with thoughts, having different thoughts just makes you hooked to other, perhaps more sublime thoughts. For those who don't know what that means, it just means don't pretend you know when you don't. There's a difference between just thinking a certain way and knowing.
  • poppers
    poppers

    Hey Mark - it's nice to have your posts and your clear eye for clear seeing.

    Poppers

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