Part I: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/72087/1.ashx
The following is from the E-Watchman's forum . . .
I get from reading some of these threads that many who know and dissaprove of the WTBTS's deceptions and errors are staying in the organization and waiting in the wings, so to speak, until the organization falls into deep trouble . . . then it will be encumbant on you to jump in and give the "lost sheep" direction.
Do I have this ideal correct? What can anyone say that might help a person like myself to understand this reasoning?
Sincerely,
Hunyadi
This Hunyadi fella is quite the master-baiter
Replies:
Hi Hunyadi, I haven't spoken with you before. Nice to meet you. Hope you are enjoying the encouragement and upbuilding here. I have seen some of your posts and perceived some of your "agony" with the present state of affairs.
The only reasoning I could think of is "Love"
I know that seems a bit a "duuuhhh" that's obvious statement, I mean it exactly as it says. Those sheep are starving now. The spiritual food they are getting has little sustenance in it. There will be very little to sustain them through the tests of faith they will undergo.
The best thing that is being undertaken is that a "place" is being prepared in the wilderness, where the woman in Rev 12 flees and is fed and also where those in Judea and Jerusalem flee.
By remaining in the organization, these brothers and sisters are not only being loyal to Jehovah, they are being loyal to his sheep. I am not thereby saying if you don't stay you are not loyal. But if you could imagine an escape route, there are people stationed all along the route, from the point being escaped from, to the point being escaped to. So some are in the organization, some are along the route, some are at the destination cooking and preparing meals for those coming in.
How would it be if there was no-one at the front of the escape route to tell those in danger "over here!" And as has been pointed out (I think by Isaiah 59:15) who are those ones likely to respond to, if not the ones who are shining as beacons through the love that they show. I am sure you will agree that no-one is going to miss ISOMAM shining there in the dark with his big heart Avatar showing the way.
Well, hopefully that might be some reasoning for this.
Much love to you my brother
Epig
Hello Hunyadi!
I have to ask most sincerely that what is so hard to understand in that thinking?
It's something that we really want to do: To strech our helping hand towards those our beloved one's that are in need for it. We want to be in the posession from where we can do that - if it is even possible - when the time comes.
Hunyadi's reply:
What I am about to ask is most seriously in the spirit of 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22.
QUOTE "By remaining in the organization, these brothers and sisters are not only being loyal to Jehovah, they are being loyal to his sheep." Ok, let's say that I buy a ticket and jump on to this loving and benevolent bandwagon of "New-wave" JW's and pretend to the "congregation of [the] living God, a pillar and support of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15), pretend to my brothers and sisters, my wife and kids, that I agree with the WTBTS and everything is just peachy . . . secretly waiting for the WTBTS to seriously falter and create a mass stumbling greater than the 1975 travesty. Having the accurate knowledge that I do now have, am I not living a lie?
QUOTE 21 Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. 22 Abstain from every form of wickedness.
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth."
Now then, sincerely, if God is to be worshipped with "spirit and truth", and the governing body who presumes to be the F and DS is "starving" the sheep as you say, and if we must view the WTBTS similarly to the Pharisees in Jesus Day, then why are we not openly denouncing them just as Jesus did?John the Baptist boldly said what needed to be said:
QUOTE *** Rbi8 1 Peter 2:21, 22 ***
In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely. 22 He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth. "Jesus fronts them off:
QUOTE "7 When he caught sight of many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to the baptism, he said to them: ?YOU offspring of vipers, who has intimated to YOU to flee from the coming wrath? 8 So then produce fruit that befits repentance; 9 and do not presume to say to yourselves, ?As a father we have Abraham.? For I say to YOU that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 Already the ax is lying at the root of the trees; every tree, then, that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and thrown into the fire . . . " Neither John nor Jesus hid themselves in the wings waiting to act covertly in behalf of "the sheep". Indeed, they lead the people by standing up courageously and puplicly denouncing the religious leaders as hypocrites. The real sheep heard the truth and began following Jesus as a result, did they not? Jesus and his apostles did not wait for the people's religious system to crumble and jump in to save the day when it would be the easiest to comfort and tickle the ears of those who were lost by the religious system's demise, no, they all stood right up and proclaimed the truth and accepted the consequences.
QUOTE ?Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things.??Matthew 23:23.
Is what you are proposing amount to anything more than a deceptive hat trick?
I am not anguished, dear brother. I am not lost or confused, neither am I begging off from the responsibilities I have as the PO of my congregation. I look out at my dear brothers and sisters from the platform during each meeting and become a little bit sadder each time due to the knowledge I am required to withhold from them. Jesus did not permit them to remain in darkness while the corrupt religious system weighted them down. Indeed, Jesus let his light shine in the midst of that darkness.
Best Regards,
Hunyadi
PS
Isomam, just because you have emoticons, doesn't mean you have to use them. Much love to you all.