I was looking through Randy's, Danny's, Ray's and Bill's sites as well as the ripoff.org site and I noticed a common thread throughout their attempted rebuttals. They all claim we're lying (Yet, they don't back up that claim) they all say we're disgruntled ex Witnesses (Hell, you'd be disgruntled too if you were in an organization that was severely legalistic.) and they say we're going to get destroyed (By an Isrealite god who says that all followers of a kooky, Adventist sect of a non-NeoJudiac religion will die.)
I have yet to see them refute anything posted on our sites. All they've done is make fools of themselves.
I found this on Randy's site.
| Name: bigraff Found: Found using a search engine. |
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Are you a Witness of Jehovah?
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i suppose if you have no bible based arguements you would have to resort to the type of "gutter press" that fills your homepage. |
If you're going to make extrabiblical claims about certian events, then you're subject to extrabiblical arguments.
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I think some comments of people on this site are extremely ignorant showing how satan has hold of people in misleading them. I mean people pick on Jehovah's Witnesses and slag them off but what about other religions like the churches who completely twist the Bible to suit themselves. At least the witnesses use the Bible and use Gods name and understand Jesus and the worldy situations and future of this world. Keep going witnesses ignore these apostates and ignorant people. I mean Jesus warned of persecutions and if we were part of the world it would be fond of what is its own but because we are not the world hates us. Its lies what people say about the Watchtower ignore them all they are silly and we will see when Jehovah vondicates himself in the end of this wicked system. We are near the end dont be falled its what Satan the devil wants. |
Completley twisting the bible? See, Court of Session, Scotland - Douglas Walsh vs. The Right Honourable James Latham Clyde - November 1954. BTW, work on your spelling.
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Are you bint because maby they have higher standards on not praising one person over another? As for your First bible verses, i felt that Checking a few types of bible's would help me understand what the fuss was all about. I went to Bible.com .
American Standard version Of the Holy Bible
5:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; so neither can ye, except ye abide in me. 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing. 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and
Amplified Bible (AMP)John 15:4
4Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you. [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Just as no branch can bear fruit of itself without abiding in (being vitally united to) the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you abide in Me.
5I am the Vine; you are the branches. Whoever lives in Me and I in him bears much (abundant) fruit. However, apart from Me [cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing.
Where do these bible people come up with Union, does it not mean togetherness, are you trying to say that Christ will posses people?
Phill 2-10 and 12 Where every Knee will bow, is it not true that Jesus Christ is now King? And in Isaiah 45:23 that Jehovah is letting his then covent people know that he will still be in charge even though the other gods Bal and Nebo where very provaliant strong gods. You notice now that there is a new people of all nations toungs and tribes that are under Jesus as King.
I wonder who is more like Christ? Some one who only teaches to there established congrigation, or people whom not only model them selves after Christ, and do what Christ told them to- preach the good news to the entire inhabited world!
I am not in the job discription of recruiting, i am only an informer.Heck Im not even a Witness, yet.
I just get the feeling that you are the one recruiting, posing your website and mailing address, which i know you ask for donations because I once appon a time used to get your mailer. I found that your words in your mailer where not factual, and that You dissed other religions instead of mearly comparing them. It seems that you have a Chip on your sholder. Could it be that you have been rightly dissfelloshiped? I see alsorts of people online dissing JW, and Mormans, and more than most are Dissfelloshiped.. well no wonder! DUH? Am i seeing a pattern.
You have the right to let people know that Jws can prove there case, "smoke screen"? I dont think so. Oh and thank you for letting people know that they have more respect for there God than to put fame on them selves.
Whisper - modesto, California
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That was in response to this statement http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff4377.htm Notice he didn't try to rebut his claim, but rather attack the person. I totally disagree with your opinion, cause all those sites posting fake stuff about the watchtower, are just disgrace to god and any belief you have, I have been in the truth for many years, and I truly know how things are done, and we do not make any profit from any books we "give", we recieve donations, (Big diffrence from "Donation" to "Sell"), and no we do not let kids die, we actually have options on blood transfusion, we try to avoid any way of contact with blood, cause we truly know that God knows what's right for us, and allows us to stay free from getting an infections such as hepatitis B or maybe Aids or an STD.  A Fallen Franz..., July 12, 2003
| Reviewer: Paul-Christian Roberts from United States |
You should understand that Raymond Franz writes his books from the epicenter of an apostate mind, and the scripture at Proverbs 11:7-Jehovah's Word-tells us what the outcome is. It is ultimately a reprobate mind that gives itself up to a disapproved state. This doesn't come from men, however...as the apostate would have you believe. It comes from the inner workings of false reasoning, which then breeds a treacherous heart (Jer.17:9), both of which are ultimately guided by the power of Satan. In an inactive state, I read Mr. Franz testament on the organization, his time on the Governing Body, and his subtle withdrawal from the slave class towards the teachings of demons. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition
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A Fallen Franz..., July 12, 2003