Any one interested in a peek behind the scenes of the Vatican and American politics should really read The Black Pope. A real eye opener.
The Black Pope
by Treborr Jones 6 Replies latest jw friends
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Maximus
Treborr or whoever,
this sheds more light on you than it does on exJW needs and issues.I warmly welcome you too, but if you insist on assertions and asinine stuff, e.g., Natheer Salih is a 6'2" Jew who passed instructions from the Illuminati to Fred Franz, your head will be handed you on a platter. At least half a dozen of us on this board have known this person well and have first-hand knowledge. Publishing this kind of utter nonsense just because "it could be true" just gives researchers a bad name, and is exactly what the Society can point to as demonstrably false.
People here have been distracted and lied to for a long time and will not tolerate that kind of insidious approach.
"George Bush murdered two women secretly years ago."
"Well, it COULD BE," and someone else has written about it, is an unacceptable answer and demeans our intelligence.You misunderstood Farkel. He's on the right track, all right. His assessment of your other post was
baloney.
You are free to say anything you want. But be fairly warned.
Speak the truth, not innuendo, not supposition.Maximus
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Treborr Jones
Maximus
I have no hidden agenda's or protocols. I to am only interested in truth and let the chips fall where they may. If anything Ive posted or said in my articles or site proves to be untrue I will be the first to apologize and retract the statement. I posted the Black Pope link because there is more truth in that article then most of us recieved about history in High School. As far as the needs for ex JW's, I assumed that would be truth. I accept your hand in welcome.
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Yerusalyim
FOR the LOVE of GOD JONES, I hope you don't believe ANY of the absolute BULLSHIT, that was on that web page. Alberto Rivera claimed to have been a BISHOP. ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT.
YERUSALYIM
God is truth, and light his shadow.Plato
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Kent
[b]The Real Alberto Rivera/b]
------ "The most godly man I ever met" ----------
Jack T. Chick(Edited, with commentary, by Dave Armstrong, from articles by Gary Metz)
Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a total fraud by non-Catholic Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in evangelical magazines:
1) "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31.
2) Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.
{I have heard that the Christian Research Institute (CRI), founded by the late Dr. Walter Martin, widely regarded as the foremost evangelical counter-cult specialist, has also done an exposé of Rivera}
Some excerpts from the first article above:
. . . the Christian Reformed Church, Zondervan Publishers, and the Southern Baptist Sunday School Board have banned it from their bookstores.
Jack Chick states that Christian bookstores are being infiltrated by undercover Catholic propaganda teams who pressure the owner until he 'compromises with Rome and pulls Alberto out of the store.'
Is Alberto's story true? No! Our intensive investigation reveals his police record, his investment schemes, his bad check-writing, his contradictory testimony, his fabricated educational record, and his reported family abuse . . . Alberto Rivera, also known as Alberto Romero, has a history of legal entanglements. He is currently involved in a court action in Southern California, accused of fraud.
In 1965, a warrant for his arrest was issued in Hoboken, New Jersey, for writing bad checks. He also left debts in excess of $3,000.
In 1969 two warrants were issued against him in DeLand and Ormond Beach, Florida. The first was for the theft of a Bank-Americard. The criminal investigation division of the Bank of America reports he charged over $2,000 on the credit card. The second warrant was for the 'unauthorized use of an automobile.' Alberto abandoned the vehicle in Seattle, Washington. From there he moved to Southern California.
Alberto's account of his conversion is contradictory. In 1964 while working for the Christian Reformed Church, he said he was converted from Catholicism in July of 1952. Now he maintains it was in 1967 . . . 3:00 in the morning on March 20, 1967. He says he immediately defected from the Catholic church. However, five months later, in August of 1967, he was still promoting Catholicism and the ecumenical movement in a newspaper interview in his hometown of Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.
Alberto commands great respect from many with his alleged numerous degrees including an N.D., a D.D., a Th.D., a Ph.D., and a master's in psychology. However, he is ambiguous when asked where he received these degrees. Alberto attended a seminary in Costa Rica (the Seminario Biblio Latinamericano) with a friend from Las Palmas, but he did not graduate. That friend, Rev. Plutarco Bonilla (a respected Christian leader in Central America), said that Alberto never finished high school in Las Palmas and that he was in the seminary program for non-high school graduates. The school in a letter said they were forced to expel Alberto for his 'continual lying and defiance of seminary authority.' The known chronology of his life does not allow time for him to have achieved the academic status he claims. When Rev. Wishart [former associate of Alberto, and once a pastor of the First Baptist Church of San Fernando] pressed Alberto concerning his degrees, Alberto admitted receiving them from a diploma mill in Colorado. This ended their relationship. Pastor Rasmussen (Faith Baptist Church in Canoga Park, California) also asked Alberto to substantiate some of his claims by submitting to a lie detector test. Alberto said he would: three times apoointments were made for him, three times he failed to appear.
He met his first 'wife' in Costa Rica while working with the Methodist church. Rev. Bonilla says that Alberto was living there with a woman in the late 1950s but they weren't legally married: Alberto said God ordained their marriage. Alberto later claimed in an employment form that he and Carmen Lydia Torres were married on November 25, 1963. Their son Juan was born in Hoboken, New Jersey, in September, 1964 . . . A supervisor at the time, Rev. Edson Lewis, said that Alberto physically abused both Carmen Lydia and Juan. Less than a year after his birth, in July, 1965, Juan died in El Paso, Texas, where his parents had fled, after they wrote bad checks in New Jersey.
[a new son, Alberto, was born in 1967 or 1968] It is difficult to determine the whereabouts of the child Alberto today, but Rev. Abrego [former associate and roommate] claims he was placed in a welfare home in Tennessee . . . Alberto and Carmen Lydia had still another son, Luis Marx, early in 1969. While they were still in Florida, their hosts said Luis Marx was mistreated. What happened to Luis Marx is unknown, but when Alberto left Florida for Seattle with the car and credit card, they no longer had the child with them. What happened to Carmen Lydia after Seattle is also unknown, but Alberto remarried in 1977 to Nury Frias, a woman from the Dominican Republic. Whether he was ever legally married to and/or divorced from the other woman is unknown. At any rate, it is extremely damaging to Rivera's credibility to discover that he had two children (Juan and Alberto) in America during the time he was supposed to be a celibate priest in Europe!
What does Jack Chick think about this? . . . When he was finally reached by phone at his home, he said that he had never met a more godly man than Alberto, and that he knows Alberto's story is true because he 'prayed about it.' Jack says he expects his own life to be taken by Jesuit assassins [he is still kicking 17 years later]. When we reached Alberto by phone, he also refused to meet with us . . . He claims that any wrongdoings prior to his conversion in 1967 were done under the orders of the Catholic church, and any wrongdoings since his conversion are fabrications by the conspirators.
As we have seen, Alberto's story is fraudulent, as was the story of John Todd, another Jack Chick protégé, who said the witches are taking over the world (see Issue #48 of Cornerstone). Alberto has skillfully created a closed, paranoid defense system which makes it difficult to corner him on specific issues. He can always dismiss any accusation as part of the Jesuit plot.
Alberto Rivera's fraudulent claims underscore a sad fact: many Protestants have as distorted a view of Catholics as whites earlier in the century had of blacks. The black man was caricatured as having 'lotsa rhythm and little-a brains,' while the Catholic is portrayed as an automaton who is in unquestioning bondage to church authorities.
In a later issue of Cornerstone (Vol. 10, Issue no. 54), is an article, "Cornerstone Responds to Chick":
Jack T. Chick has issued a three-page reply to Gary Metz's expose of Alberto Rivera . . . In his letter of March 25, 1981, co-signed by Rivera, Chick alleges that 'the systematic destruction of John Todd's ministry' is being repeated by the Vatican to destroy Alberto. (Todd claimed to have been one of the leaders of an international conspiracy of witches to set up Jimmy Carter as the Antichrist; Chick promoted Todd's story in earlier comic books.) Chick accuses Christianity Today and Cornerstone, both of whom ran exposes on John Todd, of furthering the cause of the 'antichrist in the Vatican.'
A typical example of Chick's defense of Alberto: the evidence for Alberto's degrees disappeared because the Vatican 'erased Dr. Rivera's name from all directories in schools, seminaries, and colleges'; Rivera's former associates and acquaintances contradict his story because they are Vatican spies; the women he was involved with were from 'the Legion of Mary or Catholic Youth.' So with the magic wand of Vatican conspiracy, Rivera is exonerated from any evidence that can possibly be adduced against him.
We feel that if Jack Chick really has a burden for Catholics, he needs to steer clear of fabrications and find a more reliable source of information.
Rivera's third Chick comic book, The Godfathers, contains the following claims, presented seriously as solemn truth:
the Vatican plans to exterminate the Jews and set up the seat of the papacy in the Temple of Jerusalem, where the pope will reign as God, literally fulfilling the prophecies concerning the "man of sin" in 2 Thess 2:3-4;
the Vatican financed the Moslem-Jewish wars in the 10th century;
the Jesuits assassinated Abraham Lincoln;
Communist Founders Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were coached and directed by Jesuit agents;
the Jesuits also trained Trotsky, Lenin, and Josef Stalin;
Adolf Hitler was a pawn of the Catholics, while his book Mein Kampf was really written by a Jesuit priest;
the Vatican was behind World War I and II, and the Russian revolution of 1917;
the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazis, and the Masons are all secretly being directed by Jesuit agents;
all the other so-called international conspiracies (the Illuminati, the Communists, the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Club of Rome, etc.) were actually created by the Catholic Church as a smokescreen to direct attention away from the Vatican.
Cornerstone magazine observes:
Rivera's claim to be a former priest, bishop, and intelligence agent for the Roman Catholic hierarchy has been discussed in previous issues . . . we found this claim to be a complete falsehood . . . I am amazed that Jack Chick can have such a paranoiac view of history; the word 'Catholicaphobia' immediately forms itself in my mind. It was because of such propaganda that two previous Chick comic books were banned by the Canadian government last October. They refer to it as being in the category of 'obscene literature.'
Actually, if I did believe there was a secret Jesuit conspiracy, I would say that Alberto Rivera is still a part of it. His ludicrous accusations have damaged the cause of legitimate Protestant/Catholic relations.
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Kent
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Norm
Hello Treborr,
My favorite so far is the plot against the "firstborn".
Norm.
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chipster
right on, maximus.....keep 'em straight. "just the facts"....there is enough BS out there already. glad your keeping your "BS monitoring devices" well calibrated!! LOL