A Good Article I Found! Subject:Organized Religion

by Big Jim 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Big Jim
    Big Jim

    The Truth About Organized Religion

    Christians and theists often state that without religion people would resort to barbarism and anarchy. In reality however some of the greatest acts of cruelty have come from Organized Religion, such as:
    Emperor Constantine institutes the killing of heretics (yeah, Rome fell shortly after)
    The Crusades and other religious wars to numerous to count, in fact organized religion along with nationalism is the leading cause of war
    The Papal Inquisition
    The Roman Inquisition
    The Spanish Inquisition
    The persecution of Giordano, Bruno and Galileo, among other scientist (remember class the sun revolves around the earth and Jerusalem is the center of the universe!)
    Okay it's true this is all in the past and the church has moved on right, well if you think that the KKK has moved on because they don't perform lynching then sign up with them too. The church is no less powerful today than in the past, think about the Christian Coalition and other such right wing christian-fascist organizations. Here's what the theists are doing today:
    The Roman Catholic church still is against masturbation and contraceptive use even though upwards of 90% of American males masturbate and we have an aids epidemic
    Christianity still persecutes homosexuals and other minorities
    Christian churches still pushes for censorship of such outlets as the internet, the radio, your SCHOOL libraries (hmm... I thought we had separation of church and state), the T.V., etc.
    The church still involves itself in politics, even though that is in direct violation of their tax exemption (I suppose the church does have to honor it's promises)
    The Islamic Terrorists
    The ongoing terrorism in N. Ireland (I.R.A. and Orangemen)
    Lobbying the government to force equal-time for creationism on schools. Equal-time means that the schools will have to teach 150+ creation myths... Christianity doesn't a monopoly in creation myths
    I don't fear that the church will ever get as out as control as in the past but as far as war goes where do you think the next major war is going to take place? The Middle East maybe? And who do you think will always be trying to sensor everything before you get to take a look at it? And what church is going to tell you what family values are? Who is going to slow the process of science by trying to force creation "science" on people?
    The greatest threat of modern religion is the rigid moral system that some wish to force on the public. I've meet many Christians that are happy with their religion and keep it to themselves but an insidious minority within the church and the Republican party is working for censorship and laws reflecting their religion's morals. People don't seem to understand that instead of increasing the size and bulk of laws and legislature that the goal of any reasonable society should be to work for the end in which there is no need for laws, police and government. That ideal society may be a long way off but it will be even further off if we don't start working today.

    What can I do? Well first off I believe we aren't ready for anarchy or anything of the sort just yet but we need to start working towards brotherhood today!

    Here are some ideas of what you can do:

    Start to treat everyone with an open mind.
    Write, there is a need for good atheistic literature, get your ideas out... websites, books, etc.
    If you are a Christian raise your children however you choose but if they don't think like you do, accept them, the same goes for people of all beliefs.
    Stop abusing homosexuals. Gay people have been around long before the first Christian or Jew. This is coming from a straight white male!, if I can accept them as the W.A.S.P., (wait switch that "P" for an "A"), I am so can you!
    Vote!, the only thing stopping Pat Robertson from moving in to that big house on Pennsylvania Ave. is your vote.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Yep,

    Many evils have been commited in the name of religion. However, were it not for religion, I would find NOTHING in myself to prevent me from murdering, stealing, etc to get what I wanted. For all the atrocities done in the name of religion, there's also been WORLDS of good done. The people who list the things you just did never mention the Francis of Assisi's or Mother Teresa's or the JP II's who have been motivated to great good because of faith.

    YERUSALYIM
    "Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
    [Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]

  • rem
    rem

    Pretty sad, Yeru.

    I'm an atheist and I have no urge to murder anyone or steal anything. By your comment you'd expect the prisons would be filled to the brim with atheists. Not so. Actually, the majority of inmates are.... well - I'll stop there, it's too easy.

    rem

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Belief in God does not make one a Christian, so no, the majority in prison are NOT Christians. Look at Satan HE believes in GOD and HE ain't a Christian. REM talking to my nephew who is currently finishing up a tour of prison, the overwhelming vast majority think there is only OBLIVION waiting for them. Wanna see what athieism is capable of see Joe Stalin or Mao or Ho Chi Min, over 20 million peasants killed by Stalin alone? How many countless millions by Chinese communists. THAT is what we could look forward to were the world to lose faith.

    YERUSALYIM
    "Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
    [Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]

  • peaceloveharmony
    peaceloveharmony

    Jim, excellant article! thank you for posting it.

    yeru, i'm an atheist too and like rem, have never had to urge to murder or steal...it's sad that some feel that humans NEED to have a higher power influencing them. seems crazy to me. I decide for myself that I want to be a good person. I have no need for some insane god's threats of hell, eternal death or whatever....nor, do i need the thought of heaven, life everlasting or whatever to entice me to be good.

    like the author says here

    I've meet many Christians that are happy with their religion and keep it to themselves
    i too have many christian friends. my problem is hypocrital christians and christians who feel their way is the ONLY way to live life. Please allow me to make that decision for myself. thank you

    love
    harmony

    "Power doesn't mean you're acting like a man, or you're a bully or a bitch. It's that you don't let people step on you"
    -Sharon Monplaisir

  • betweenworlds
    betweenworlds

    In regards to Yerus last post:

    Then take all those killed in various holy wars, crusades, inquisitions, etc. and I say it just about evens about. people are people. Human nature eventually comes through no matter what the label.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    : ... were it not for religion, I would find NOTHING in myself to prevent me from murdering, stealing, etc to get what I wanted.

    Precisely why it is so easy for people like you to murder, steal, etc. whenever you find it in the best interests of your religion.

    Thank goodness a lot of people do have it in them to avoid such conduct. They generally have nothing to do with religion because they dislike the company of people like you who admittedly have no inherent moral sense.

    AlanF

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    AlanF,

    Why is so easy to murder, SIN. What prevents those without faith from murder, for some it's truly something inside them for others, they've just not been pushed to a point where they had to make that moral choice, for others it's the fear of the consequences. The prohibition against Murder in society is placed there my moral law. Were murder not against the law, say revenge murders were allowed, we see a lot more of it.

    So yes, when faced with the guy who murdered my brother some 21 years ago, it is my faith in God and not Law or self that keep me from murdering him.

    Between worlds, I would hazard a guess that Stalin alone was responsible for more death than organized Christianity, and if you add in Mao and a few others the numbers FAR outweigh the too high number killed in the name of religion.

    YERUSALYIM
    "Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
    [Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    : Why is so easy to murder, SIN.

    What?

    : What prevents those without faith from murder, for some it's truly something inside them for others, they've just not been pushed to a point where they had to make that moral choice, for others it's the fear of the consequences.

    What's your point? Those things apply equally to most religious people.

    : The prohibition against Murder in society is placed there my moral law. Were murder not against the law, say revenge murders were allowed, we see a lot more of it.

    Yeah. And?

    : So yes, when faced with the guy who murdered my brother some 21 years ago, it is my faith in God and not Law or self that keep me from murdering him.

    Oh? What about Genesis 9: Anyone shedding man's blood, by man must his own blood be shed. Isn't that a moral law given by the Creator of man? Since murder is the illegal killing of a human, how is it that you claim that acting in accord with God's law is murder?

    : Between worlds, I would hazard a guess that Stalin alone was responsible for more death than organized Christianity, and if you add in Mao and a few others the numbers FAR outweigh the too high number killed in the name of religion.

    I seriously doubt that. In the Taiping rebellion in China in the 1840s, something like 40 million Chinese were killed. A Christian sect tried to take over the country by force, and the existing authorities killed a large fraction of them. The Christians fought back and killed plenty of their non-Christian brothers.

    Besides, your point is irrelevant to the point of the thread. Religious people generally claim to do "the right thing" because of their adherence to the moral values their religion gives them. Stalin and Mao and others simply abandoned all moral sense. They didn't act inconsistently with their claimed values, whereas members of most organized religions who kill others do. There are not all that many potential Stalins and Maos in the world. There are plenty of would-be Jim Joneses in organized religion.

    AlanF

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Do you think you are breaking new ground, Jim?

    1) Organized ANYTHING is hampered by our own natural depravity. Just because an organization claims to be representing Christ that does not make it so. It is the actions of that group, "you will know them because of their love for one another" in John 15.

    2) The parable of the "wheat and tares" shows clearly what would happen to the followers. Bad seed is sown in with good. Now, the real 'body of Christ' has always consisted of all of the individuals who are 'saved' at any given time.

    3) There is absolutely no reason to have any morals without any moral absolute to begin with. Man has more than proven that all of his works can and do become corrupt, even works that start out good!

    4) Science is in continual flux, it can offer no statement valid as to the supernatural (other than the fact that other dimensions DO exist that are beyond our senses).

    5) Science is just as likely to be corrupted as any other human endeavor.

    6) Science has brought us to the brink of several ways to become extinct and the only thing holding back this evil is the overall influence of the Holy Spirit.

    7) With the Rapture, that influence which holds back the gates of hell will be gone as the Church will be in heaven. THEN you will see just what depravity that man is capable of.

    Later,
    Rex

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