If a disfellowshipped person dies...?

Mulan

What is the WTS's current view on resurrection of disfellowshipped people? A few years ago, an older sister's df'd son died of AIDS in SF. When she and her unbeliever husband returned from the funeral, she said "he is in Jehovah's hands." (people were actually reminding her that he wouldn't get a resurrection) At the time, I thought she was bonkers, but came to believe she was right, while I was still an active JW.

I am asking because my cousin (who is more of a sister to me)is dying of cancer......she has less than a year, I am quite sure. One of her three sons is still a dub, and his wife and three young children, all under 4, also. Are they telling those children that their grandmother will not be resurrected?

I know there is nothing I can do to change that belief, for them, but I wonder if that is what they believe still. Afterwards, I want to be able to talk to those kids. I know they are really young, but these things impact a young child for life, and I want to be able to do SOMETHING about it eventually.

Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

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It seems that the older sister of a few years ago was right. It is in Jehovahs hands. For example. say a df'd person has been "repentant" and has "regained" approval by Jehovah. Yet the elders in the cong. dont re-instatement, because they are "imperfect" men..and the end comes...do you think Jehovah needs to wait for an announcement??

As in the case with a person who dies or doesnt accept the "truth". The Society...oops..we don't say that anymore..the Jdubs say that only Jehovah is the one who determines who lives and who dies. This is sort of a safety net for them.

A sister in my congergations father recently died. The whole family was in the truth. The mother was beginning to study...anyway..to make a long story short...we got a big-wig from Bethel Headquarters to give the funeral talk.....not gb..but big wig..he said that we can not grasp Jehovahs love and it was a matter of how jehovah read his heart.

Mulan

Thank you. She is a "heretic" like the rest of us, so not likely to try for reinstatement. She got a card from her brother this week, who had just been to the District Convention, and he urged her to get reinstated. So, I wondered if they talked about it at the convention at all. I didn't think so, since no one has said so on this board.

bwoga

Interesting topic.....I had some good friend (who strangely enough no longer speak to me) who had a son who was disfellowshipped at age 16 or 17 hell maybe even 15.....the moral of the story is....she wouldn't even pray for him and less than two months ago....he (would have been about 25 or so now) hung hisself and I wondered if she believes he will be resurrected. I guess it doesn't matter that his father had been a wife abusing elder that never took any interest in him or his brothers after their mother divorced him or that his wonderful JW step dad was into porno...and got df'd....I guess all those factors in his emotional instablility didn't count....they df'd him and he couldn't deal....sad....I think God knows how we get to where ever we are in life better than we do and I think his compassion and grace...are larger than his wrath...just my opinon....

jurs

Hi Mulan,
I know of an 18 year old DF'd girl, from my former hall , who died in an auto accident. I heard it was in Jehovah's hands . They had found her diary and she apparently was thinking about going back. The memorial service was not at the hall but at the mortuary. I remember thinking it was a warmer and more personal service than any I had heard at the Kingdom Hall.
jurs

ofcmad

Mulan--
It reminds me of my mother telling my sister-in-law (not a j-dub), that her uncle, who was dying of cancer would not have any hope of a ressurection. Nice, eh? He has passed away, and is now enjoying the TRUE hope of life with Christ. My mother had the nerve enough to right a letter to the wife of this man, and sent a tract to tell her all about the "hope" he has. My sister-in-law doesn't want to tell her Aunt what my mother said, because her Aunt would get really ANGRY!!
It's really sickening.

ofcmad

"Noah was a drunk and look what he accomplished." The Metatron/Dogma

AGuest

Hello, dear Mulan... and may you have peace!

Whatever the WTBTS position, you can bet is in error. For, as my Lord said: "There will be a resurrection... of the righteous... AND the unrighteous." How then are some to be left out? Is this a third group unbeknownst to us, that my Lord forgot to mention?

Such resurrection of the 'unrighteous', then, would also include Adam and Eve, for although they sinned WILLFULLY, they have not yet been judged... and SENTENCED... to everlasting destruction. They were simply returned 'to the dust from which [they] were taken'. That was their physical body... which 'died'; their SPIRIT bodies, however, MUST be destroyed, and it is only the Lake of Fire that possesses such destructive power so as to kill 'the body AND the soul'.

As for those who were 'disfellowshipped' by the 'borg... such expulsion has no credibility with either my Lord or my Father. For I, too, have been 'disfellowshipped' by such Pharisees, expelled from their 'synagogue' by a 'tribunal' of their 'lesser Sanhedrin'. But, so? For indeed my Lord said, 'you WILL be expelled...' and that all who 'killed' us would THINK they were 'rendering an act of sacred service'.

The ONLY people who have to worry about being restricted from entry into the kingdom... or a resurrection to judgment versus to life... are:

1. Those who treat Christ's brothers wrongly, who, as a result are 'cut off' from entry into the kingdom and thus access to the Tree of Life (and since ones cannot be sure who really IS a brother of Christ, it would behoove ALL... to treat ALL... accordingly);

2. And those who have received the promised holy spirit... indeed 'tasted' the free gift... and thereafter practice sin WILLFULLY... and not as a result of weakness. For such ones, there is 'no longer any salvation left', but there is 'a fearful jealousy'. You know, like Cain.

I hope this helps you to put things in their proper perspective and alleviates some of the fears that you and others might have. If you need, I can provide the 'substantiation' for what I have shared with you here. For the sake of brevity (and I don't feel so good right now... remnants of 'heat exhaustion' from yesterday), however, I just simply stated the truth.

I bid you peace!

A slave of Christ,

SJ

Mulan

Thank you AGuest. It was nice of you to write all that as a comfort to me, but I am an ex JW, and have no concerns for her future life, but only wanted to understand what her grandchildren might be told, so I can undo it sometime in the future. I know disfellowshipping is strictly a man made thing, and not approved by God.

Thanks anyway.

Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

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