Brilliant Minds and Great Thinkers with Opposite Conclusions.

Blueblades

It happens all the time,great thinkers, brilliant minds,come to opposite conclusions.One example is the view on "The Ransom"

.Alan F.Wrote a brillant essay on this and concluded that such a thing is not reasonable. After having read his essay and many others, I agree.

On the other hand, Ray Franz believes in the Ransom. However Ray believes in the Bible being inspired of God. When I wrote to him about this, he admitted that it is a leap of faith, and one must have faith that such is so when they have searched the scriptures and come to this conclusion.

Now, I am by no means disrespecting either of those men. And it is not my intention to create a discussion that degrades or disrespects either one of these men. Men whom I have a great respect for and who have been an added force in helping me and my family out of the Watchtower.

History has revealed that brilliant minds and great thinkers have come to opposite conclusions on many subjects. I just used "The Ransom" as one example.

Would you like to share some others that have been of help to you one way or another.

Blueblades

gumby

History has revealed that brilliant minds and great thinkers have come to opposite conclusions on many subjects

Just look at all the people who disagree with me for cryin out loud!!

Another good example is believers and non believers in general. Look at believers and bible sceptics. They both read the same material and both come to different conclusions. One bases their faith on faith alone(believing the bible writers to be true in what they wrote) and non-believers who have to see it to believe it or else have substantial "proof" of claimed events. Both are sincere.....yet the bible god will kill the one who doesn't believe......that should tell you something.

Gumby

Satanus

Even gods disagree, despite being super smart and super powerful. The yhwh god wants absolute obediance, perfect order, and tolerates no opposition whatsoever. Satan, god of the competing party, wants freedom for individuals and unlimited knowledge for individuals. Most of all, he wants to have fun.

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one

Pure emotional factors, rahter tahn ignorance is what set even brilliant people apart with different opinions, opposite corners.

As an silly example even very brilliant people take sides about their employeer, their mate, their country, their religion etc NO MATTER WHAT.

Everyone is emotional, even brilliant people.

Satanus,

even god is emotional, according to bible she/he gets ANGRY (emotion) and all.

Emotions do no follow rules constantly, can not be predicted.

Even this topic may not be provocative emotionally to generate hundreds of replies, try fluff.

Flash

Even gods disagree, despite being super smart and super powerful. The yhwh god wants absolute obediance, perfect order, and tolerates no opposition whatsoever.

Now I don't see this as a bad thing, I also don't see this as the whole story. As a matter of fact the qualities your attributing to Satan I think is really how YHWH is! IMO, Yahweh's big public relations problem is how the WTS/Cult Organization promotes Him! When actualy He's this way...

~~Satan, god of the competing party,~~ "Yahweh" wants freedom for individuals and unlimited knowledge for individuals. Most of all, he wants to have fun!!!!!

This is exactly how I see Him. The Cult WTS has misrepresented HIM so badly by their WRONG CONDUCT and SPEACH its no wonder people think He's nothing but a Dominating Lord!!

Satanus

Flash

"Yahweh" wants freedom for individuals and unlimited knowledge for individuals. Most of all, he wants to have fun!!!!!

He gives you freedom, but if people actually use it to be independent, to have sex outside of marriage, to not believe in yhwh or the bible or jesus or the ransom, to play w 'demons', then it's death for them. Nice freedom.

He made a ruling against eating of the tree of knowledge. Eating of it resulted in the death sentence from yhwh. Yhwh wanted total dependence on himself, not independent exploration.

Ok, there may be a few fun things that he does/did. Can you name a few?

S

Carmel

Gosh, I have a whole book on christain subjects that meet this criteria. One of the obvious it the trinity, another the "resurection" another the meaning of the "remnant" on and on. Most of the disagreement comes from motaphorical references being taken literally which ends up tying people into knots trying to make sense out of "revelation" writing. Another term is "everlasting life". You know how the Jws take it so literally it is a physical fact to them. They deny the literal "resurrection of Jesus" but insist upon the literal resurection of themselves..

Same thing has happend in Islam and other world religions. The abuse of the scripture by literalism is constant in all the religions of the past.

carmel

Flash

First, my apologies to Blue blades. The title of your Thread caught my eye and the posts are interesting, but I have nothing on the subject to share.

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one

Emotions do no follow rules constantly, can not be predicted.

All your points on emotions are good ones. I like this one the best. This is why we have to be sure where we let our heart lead us.

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Satanus

He gives you freedom, but if people actually use it to be independent, to have sex outside of marriage, to not believe in yhwh or the bible or jesus or the ransom, to play w 'demons', then it's death for them. Nice freedom.

Yes there are laws. Law is nessesary or chaos will prevail. Chaos by nature is self destructive. When the cells in our bodies become lawless we call it Cancer. We aren't happy when parts of our body are in a 'lawless' way acting independent. We do what ever it takes to maintain the order within the rest of our body.

He made a ruling against eating of the tree of knowledge. Eating of it resulted in the death sentence from yhwh. Yhwh wanted total dependence on himself, not independent exploration.

Yes and no. Compared to God we are like chidren living under His roof. We are never going to be 'more' than God or out-grow Him. Yet, we are not always going to be babes under or needing constant supervision either. I don't believe God is or will be guilty of 'smother love.'

Ok, there may be a few fun things that he does/did. Can you name a few?
S

The joy that comes from family and friends. Setting goals, working toward and reaching them. The earth and all it's wonders. The seemingly endless universe and the adventures awaiting us out there, to name a few. Although, if you believe as the GB/WTS does, that YHWH is a micro-managing control freak, then life and the future isn't so bright. I don't think He's that at all and I would prefer reasonable law and order over lawlessness and chaos!

Satanus

Flash

Law is nessesary or chaos will prevail.

Ok, but most humans want a relatively ordered society. And so, we have civil law. It came from humans, not your god. Even ancient societies where your god was totally absent had order, not chaos. God is not and has not been necesary for order to obtain among european, asian, north american and south american societies.

When the cells in our bodies become lawless we call it Cancer.

Those cells are immortal.

Compared to God we are like chidren living under His roof. We are never going to be 'more' than God or out-grow Him. Yet, we are not always going to be babes under or needing constant supervision either.

Speak for yourself, but some have already advanced to that stage.

Ok, there may be a few fun things that he does/did. Can you name a few?
S
The joy that comes from family and friends. Setting goals, working toward and reaching them. The earth and all it's wonders. The seemingly endless universe and the adventures awaiting us out there, to name a few.

Yah, but what does your god do for fun? Can you name a few things?

S

Flash

Satanus,

The last word is yours. Have a Nice Day!

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Brilliant Minds and Great Thinkers with Opposite Conclusions.

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Brilliant Minds and Great Thinkers with Opposite Conclusions.

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