Just for fun: Try spotting the lies and exaggerations

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  • Gopher
    Gopher

    http://www.glenwoodindependent.com/article/20041217/VALLEYNEWS/112170011/0/FRONTPAGE

    Spreading the word tests freedom of speech

    By Ivy Vogel December 17, 2004

    By spreading what they believe to be Jesus' word, Jehovah's Witnesses have inadvertently tested the limits of the First Amendment.

    As a result Jehovah's Witnesses have paved the way for several landmark First Amendment rulings in the United States.

    The main point of contention in many of these cases is the Witnesses' door-to-door preaching.

    Jehovah's Witnesses go door-to-door because they want to share a message: Under God's will everyone on earth will live in peace, and there will be harmony and peace with mankind and the physical world.

    Unlike many religions that limit preaching to church functions and intimate conversations, Jehovah's Witnesses knock on residential doors to find new brothers and sisters.


    "The reason we go door-to-door is because Jesus went door-to-door and he told us to do it," said Cathy Lou Pogainis, a church member at the Kingdom Hall in Glenwood.

    Contrary to what a grumpy neighbor in pajamas might think, door-to-door work is a very well-thought-out process requiring devout training and an explicit understanding of the Bible and other Jehovah's Witness literature, Pogainis said.

    Pioneers - those who go door-to-door - go to theocratic school every Tuesday or Thursday night to study the Bible, the Watchtower, which is an in-depth Bible supplement, and Awake!, a current events issue coupling social and economic problems with scripture, Pogainis said.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are not required to participate in door-to-door work but those who do learn how to talk to people about God's hope, Pogainis said.

    A regular pioneer works around 70 hours a month, said Mindy Schmidt, 18, a pioneer for Glenwood Park.

    When someone is interested in what Schmidt's preaching, she either meets with them for a mini-Bible study or leaves them Jehovah's Witness literature.

    "Occasionally it's hard to balance everything I do with door-to-door work," said Sheridan Dull, 22, a part-time pioneer. "It really helps to put spiritual things first because the other things fall into place a lot easier."

    Schmidt, Dull and other pioneers cover different areas in the valley so they hit every neighborhood without dominating a single area.

    Sometimes, though not often in the valley, Jehovah's Witnesses run into people who do not want to talk and feel the Witnesses are invading their privacy.

    In several areas, including the Valley of Stratton in Ohio, cities have developed ordinances and permit requirements for door-to-door preaching to "protect privacy."

    However, in 2002 the Supreme Court banned Stratton's permit requirements under the pretense that it was unconstitutional, setting the precedent for other state permits and ordinances.

    "Personally we don't consider it soliciting," Pogainis said. "We consider ourselves preachers," said Max Pogainis, Cathy Lou's husband.

    Jehovah's Witnesses don't experience too much opposition in the valley, Cathy Lou said.

    "Here we get a lot of indifference and apathy," Pogainis said.

    An indifferent or apathetic person may yield time with Jehovah's Witnesses because many times indifference and apathy is spawned from misinformation, Max said.

    Many people believe Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in God - they do; that they are disrespectful to the government - they remain neutral to all situations; and they willingly let people die because of their stubbornness regarding modern medicine.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are frequently criticized for not choosing to get involved with national or world politics.

    They never endorse candidates, take a position in a time of war or lean toward one side, Max said.

    "We can work the ways of peace and we may have to suffer but in the long run it will benefit mankind," Max said.

    In West Virginia State Board of Education vs. Barnette, a landmark case in 1943, Jehovah's Witnesses tested their right not to speak by refusing to salute the American flag.

    "We respect the flag but we view the pledge as an act of worship and we would never use that disrespectfully," Max said.

    Complacency as well as their refusal to salute the American flag has pegged Jehovah's Witnesses as disrespectful to the U.S. government, Max said.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are also criticized for refusing to take blood from others.

    While this may not seem too harmful, "thou shall not kill one's neighbor," it becomes controversial in life-or-death situations when a patient refuses a blood transfusion.

    In the past 30 years doctors have worked closely with Jehovah's Witnesses to develop medical marvels that coincide with the Witnesses values, Max said.

    No matter how invasive or disrespectful Jehovah's Witnesses may seem to some, the Supreme Court has supported Jehovah's Witnesses and their First Amendment rights for the past 50 years.

    "Because we're in hard times right now people like hearing about hope," Schmidt said. "I think because of that I've seen more receptiveness to our door-to-door work."





    6.4 million number of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide as of 2002

    252 minimum number of languages Jehovah's Witnesses publish literature in

    70 average number of hours of door-to-door work a pioneer completes each month
  • Gopher
    Gopher
    Jehovah's Witnesses have inadvertently tested the limits of the First Amendment.

    They're still living off their reputation from their court victories over 60 years ago!! And has often been pointed out on this site, they're all in favor of First Amendment speech freedoms when it comes to their own publishing firm, but when anyone breathes a word of doubt about them, they're quicky demonized and shunned.

    Jehovah's Witnesses go door-to-door because they want to share a message: Under God's will everyone on earth will live in peace, and there will be harmony and peace with mankind and the physical world.

    They left out "the bad news of the Kingdom" ... that if you don't read and follow Watchtower doctrine, you'll soon be food for the birds at "the great evening meal of God".

    "The reason we go door-to-door is because Jesus went door-to-door and he told us to do it,"


    Show me one verse where Jesus is depicted as knocking on a door, or telling others to knock on doors. His ministry is depicted as occurrring in the marketplaces and synagogues.

    door-to-door work is a very well-thought-out process requiring devout training and an explicit understanding of the Bible and other Jehovah's Witness literature.

    The Bible is JW literature? If you consider the New World translation such a mistranslation that it's not really a Bible at all, I guess that would be correct.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are not required to participate in door-to-door work but those who do learn how to talk to people about God's hope.

    Since when are JW's NOT required to go door-to-door? If a new one doesn't have a meaningful share in their "field ministry", they cannot even get baptized. Those who believe the JW doctrines but don't actively witness door-to-door are mockingly called "Jehovah's bystanders" by many of the Witnesses.

    "Occasionally it's hard to balance everything I do with door-to-door work...It really helps to put spiritual things first because the other things fall into place a lot easier."

    Occasionally? Occasionally? How about it being impossible to do everything the Watchtower Society asks of you and have a normal family life. When they say "everything falls into place easier" they mean they ignore their own wants and desires and put the organization ahead of everything else so that when the organization tells them to do more, they don't feel guilty.

    "Because we're in hard times right now people like hearing about hope," Schmidt said. "I think because of that I've seen more receptiveness to our door-to-door work."
    Of course people like to hear about hope. The JW's have been preaching their "paradise soon" hope since before they were even called Jehovah's Witnesses. But they've consistently backed off their promised dates and disappointed many who believed their "hopeful" message. Let the JW's think they're seeing "more receptiveness" -- I guess that thought will keep them going.
  • VM44
    VM44

    Gopher, you makes some good points, in particular,

    "The reason we go door-to-door is because Jesus went door-to-door and he told us to do it"

    Yes, where in the Bible is it recorded that Jesus went door-to-door? And where did he tell "us to do it"? She is not being precise.

    "door-to-door work is a very well-thought-out process requiring devout training and an explicit understanding of the Bible and other Jehovah's Witness literature"

    The key phrase is "Jehovah's Witness Literature," which in the minds of JWs IS equivalent to the Bible.

    JWs think they are experts in their minds, but they are not, in ANY subject.

    --VM44

  • Preston
    Preston
    Jehovah's Witnesses go door-to-door because they want to share a message: Under God's will everyone on earth will live in peace, and there will be harmony and peace with mankind and the physical world.

    I have heard....at least...30 different reasons as to why Jehovah's Witnesses go from house to house. This is one of them.

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  • justhuman
    justhuman

    Nice topic

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul
    Many people believe Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in God - they do; that they are disrespectful to the government - they remain neutral to all situations; and they willingly let people die because of their stubbornness regarding modern medicine.

    Where was the counterpoint to this one?

    A regular pioneer works around 70 hours a month, said Mindy Schmidt, 18, a pioneer for Glenwood Park.

    A regular pioneer alternates between coffee breaks and riding back-and-forth to the far reaches of the territory to pick up that call that slipped their mind. While listening to the Watchtower on tape (yeah, right) and patting their own back for their self-sacrificing spirit as they drive their beat-up car and can barely afford the insurance and gas <wink for jst2laws>.

    "Here we get a lot of indifference and apathy," Pogainis said.

    It's called passive-aggression, you silly twit.

    "We can work the ways of peace and we may have to suffer but in the long run it will benefit mankind," Max said.

    Translation: "We can avoid actively and intentionally hurting others as well as inactively prevent harm, but often our inaction may cause us to suffer when others notice our complacency and complicity. I have no idea what the hell I am talking about with that whole 'our suffering will eventually benefit mankind' thing. That must be a side effect of the brain conditioning, because brain washing doesn't exist."

    "Because we're in hard times right now people like hearing about hope," Schmidt said. "I think because of that I've seen more receptiveness to our door-to-door work."
    Hard times make people do lots of stupid things, like crediting strange organizations with some mystical insight into reality that they formerly missed and are incapable of achieving on their own.
  • confusedjw
    confusedjw
    Jehovah's Witnesses run into people who do not want to talk

    This is an exaggeration. I drew the line at kicking them.

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