ending a "bible" study concerns

by blueztunez 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • blueztunez
    blueztunez

    Greetings

    First off I'd like to say what a pleasure it is to read the threads here and to say as well that it's quite refreshing to see the milk of human kindnes shared so freely here.

    I just moved back east and have been staying with my 82 year old mom who's been a jw for 35 years (she's happy as a clam). Knowing she'd appreicate the company going to the sunday meetings plus the 2 hour "school" I thought I could also form my own opinion on their "truth" ...so I did't research the "apostate web sites" till I had formed my own opinion...well 6 months (read) 125 hours at the kingdom hall later and my heart tells me that this "truth" is not for me.

    The problem:

    I'd like to quit the "bible" study that sucks up 1 1\2 hours each week...BUT I'm wondering if "the gang" is going to put any pressure on my dear old mom (again she's 82 years old) to get me to resume my bible study ? She really dos'nt need any more grief than she already has. If so I guess I'll just buck up and suffer through the hour and a half...my mom's worth it (:

    NB: I still plan on escorting her to the sunday meetings and the "school".

    By the by: I had fun defending the "apostate web sites" to the two elders that were conducting my "bible" study (: .

    Well thanks for reading my plea for insight and God bless

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Hi and welcome to another who aparently appreciates the finest in music

    Dont worry about your study , your mother should not be pressurred. Iwould go easy on the info from "Apostate sites". It is just possible some nerk of an inexperienced but enthusiastic elder might tell her that are a danger to her spirituality

  • Been there
    Been there

    Welcome to the board Bluez, we're glad to have you here and hope you hang around.

    I'm thinking that you may have to back out of your involvement slowly or you may get shunned as bad association. I know you weren't baptized or anything but to them after 6 mos. you know the "Truth" now and you have turned your back on it. That puts you in a bad position at Armageddon don'tcha knoooow (in their minds). It may not be a written rule but most of their rules are'nt written down anywhere anyway. I hope they will leave you both alone and you can go on taking care of and loving your mom as usual.

    I've been out along time so someone else may have better insight on the situation then me.

  • Golf
    Golf

    Greetings Bluez, gee, that was a short and sweet intro. It's very loving and thoughtful of you to consider your mother. (In exchange for birth pains, a little pain on your part shouldn't be a burden.) My mom is a JW, 90 years old and I don't make an issue about it. I got far better things to do and think about than JW's.

    I love that expression, the 'milk of human kindness...' Well,had you been here in the past, you would have used a different expression. The board has taken on a gradual 'milk of human kindness.' Enjoy the forum.


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  • Maverick
    Maverick

    Welcome!

    It is very thoughtful of you to show concern for your Mom. You have her best interests at heart. The Nit-Witnesses at large think they are saving you so they would have no problem causing you all manner of problems with your mother if it came to that.

    You could cut short your studies, and slowly start to miss them. Find yourself busy when they want to "socialize" with you. I would write poems, write "to do" lists, anything at the Hall to tune out the drivel after a while. You know your setting, so only you know how far you can push things.

    If the brothers corner you, you can confide in them that you know it's BS but don't want to cause trouble for your Mom and would take a very dim view of them if they started to get stupid with you. You might tell them that you respect your Moms beliefs and will do nothing to turn her away but you want them to quietly back off! Mav

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Bluestunez-

    Keep up the kindness with dear old Mom - that is the big thing here.

    I think that the advise to go easy on discussions with the 'bros' about these websites is good. They may cause your mom to fear your association. Just depends on the locals there. My cousin started to try to have intellectual discussions with his 'elder' teacher, a few years ago - and got accused of being 'apostate' - then I think basically shunned after. I was not too close to him so I never got more than that. So you never know.

    I think you could soon let them call off the study - just always spend your time when they come talking about other things, offer them coffee and pie, bring up the news, and most of all never prepare for the lesson. Answer as you believe during the study and not from the paragraphs - this will disorient them and they will call it off soon, leaving you to your own devices - and they will not bother to try and accuse you of apostasy -

    Just My Opinion

    Jeff

  • ko38
    ko38

    Hello and welcome.I will have to say i dont envy your position.Mine is similar but not quite.MY mother has seen some proof of the society's faults but she chooses to stay because she knows nothing else.She doesnt judge me.

    I sure hope your moms elders dont give her any grief about you.That would just be wrong.I will have to say I admire the sacrifice of your time for your mom.I know its hard not to talk about how the society is wrong,but in opinion i think it would be better just to go through the motions and keep your feelings to yourself.

    IM not saying that you should keep going,because I could never do it now,but if you do choose to do it for mom any talk about apostate stuff will not be tolerated by the elders.It would be worse than if you just told them you were no longer interested.Any way theres my 2 cents.Good luck and please come again

  • Scully
    Scully

    I'd take the approach of being like a hornets' nest - if they leave you (and your mom) alone, you'll leave them alone. Make sure they totally understand that they DON'T want to find out the consequences of messing with the hornets' nest.

    On the other hand, I don't see why they would interfere with your mom - she's got a good thing going if you don't mind taking her to the meetings, as it frees them up to "look after the flock" who don't have the same kind of support (sarcasm intended)

    At the age of 82, I would sincerely hope that they would just leave your mom the hell alone and not give either of you a hard time. By the same token, you can always claim your constitutional right to Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech on them, the way they so love to do to anyone who tries to interfere with them.

    Love, Scully

  • blueztunez
    blueztunez

    Thanks one and all for your advice\insights . If I could find the kind of christian fellowship I find here at the kindom hall I'd join in a flash inspite of my feelings on the wt org hehe. Heck an hour and a halfs not that big a deal to burn up really but up till a couple weeks ago I thought that they may have something to offer that I could't get from my solo bible study. From day go they knew I had the truth it just needed to be modified to suit them and I thought gee maybe they do know\see something I don't but now I'm quite sure thats not the case.

    Bluesbro good point about keeping quiet on the apostate thing, my "elder" study conductors face went pretty strange when I asked him__if the apostate web sites are indeed evil people looking to undermind whoever, was it not paul\saul who said ...stand up to satan and he will flee you or something to that effect? He answered well yes BUT satan is a master at deception blah blah blah. Geez even before I became a christian I could certainly tell the difference between good and evil.

    Been There yer right about the shunning thing I've felt that since the "love bomb" dust settled they looked at me like I had something contagious.

    Mavrick funny you mentioned to do lists ect cuz I'm thinking of using the 4 hours a week I spend at the kindom hall studing my bible (with earplugs snugly in place)...surly they won't find fault with that. I am after all driving my mom to and from the K Hall .

    AK-Jeff one of the problems I face with these ones is that I've never prepared for a study and never answer from the "bible" study book I always answer in my own words and heres the crunch 8 times out of ten I agree with them...what i don't agree with is the wt orgs control over everone but of course that has'nt come up in the study yet.

    Ko38 ultimatly I'm leaning in your direction... keep my apostate (proud and true) mouth shut and go throught the motions. Haha a few weeks ago I had what I felt was a pretty big bone of contention with thier beliefs and said to my book study dude "gee I'd hate to make you stumble with what I got to say" He laughed and said that was'nt likely, btw the CO was sitting in on the "bible" study. I think if I had the freedom to truely speak my mind these ones would need knee pads to prevent scabs from forming on their knees from stumbling (kidding)

    Skully and others that suggested a "talk" with these ones ...well I pray it won't come to that cuz in order to follow through I'd have to set my new found christian principles aside for "a moment" to show that I mean buisness.

    In conclusion: these ones KNOW that I live christian principles and don't just quote scriptures trying to impress folk and i feel this (I"m) is kinda a special case for them because my biblical beliefs are almost one in the same with theres, I just don't buy the whole CONTROL isues of the wt org.

    Well again I'd like to thank everyone...also just a thought, from what I've read here and at other apostate web sites, is that where do you go as a christian once you leave the wt org ? seems to me your already there (: As a solo christian thats been one of my biggest problems for the last couple years...where do you find like minded christians to have fellowship\disscusion with ? I've found more fellowship\disscusion here in 3 days than I have at the kingdom hall in 6 months.

    btw after explaining the term "love bombing" to my mom she totally agreed...(WOW) Not that I witness to convert anyone (I witness to share what I've got, with my christian principles\values\faith) I think maybe she'll see the light through example. After all if her junkie alcoholic son can embrace such similar beliefs through a solo bible study hey maybe the wt org is not needed to be acceptable in Gods eyes.

    Well my internet connection is getting axed on Jan 1-05 (coincidence?) haha but I will be able to keep up to speed here via public librarys internet access so take care in the meantime . Blueztunez

  • Scully
    Scully

    blueztunez:

    Skully and others that suggested a "talk" with these ones ...well I pray it won't come to that cuz in order to follow through I'd have to set my new found christian principles aside for "a moment" to show that I mean business.

    Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that being a Christian requires you to be a meek and mild doormat. Jesus always spoke very honestly - even bluntly and frankly - when the situation called for it. He even got angry to the point of upsetting tables in the temple where the moneychangers were, and chasing them out for making the holy temple into a marketplace. He never minced words with the Pharisees either. He called them "hypocrites" and "offspring of vipers" to their faces.

    Don't be afraid of standing up to the JWs. They do not have The Truth?, they do not have God's Spirit?, they do not have Angelic Direction?. What they DO have is people who are in fear of them, and that is how they control - with fear - they do not lead people in love.

    Love, Scully

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