Why Mainstreaming Will Win Part Two

by metatron 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • metatron
    metatron

    I have no quarrel with anyone who wishes to hope for the
    Society's 'reform', I just want to draw attention to the
    real cause of change by distinguishing reform from mainstreaming.
    When someone says 'reform', I think of brave reformers who
    saved lives or fought slavery and injustice - motivated by
    ethics. Making changes to salvage the cash flow and dominance of
    an uncaring corporation is another matter.

    Look at articles in the media praising JW's for benefiting
    humanity because they fought in the courts. These are the
    same folks who love artwork depicting the gruesome mass death
    of their neighbors (remember the Paradise book for kids?).
    Witnesses commonly applaud at conventions when talks describe
    the same thing. We enjoy First Amendment rights because of
    Watchtower arrogance and cult-like clannishness. Good results,
    ugly motives - there's no need for thanks!

    Understanding the background of change in the organization would
    save countless well-meaning Witnesses from writing letters
    disassociating themselves. THEY DON'T CARE AND WON'T BOTHER
    READING MORE THAN A PARAGRAPH OR TWO. The same goes for involved
    discertations on doctrine. Better you should figure out how to sue
    them or get them arrested! THAT GETS ACTION!

    As to mainstreaming (or reform), there has been continuous progress
    over decades - slow but discernable. Long ago, some influencial
    lunatics wanted the organization to use a different calendar
    and different names for days of the week!(Thursday is THOR's
    day, remember?) This was too much for even Rutherford who blasted
    the advocates of such a scheme (may be referred to in Moyle's
    letter, indirectly). There was also a feeling that wedding rings
    were pagan. This idea failed in particular because Gilead sisters
    found themselves nearly molested in public in South/Central
    American countries( no ring? you're in fair game in machismo-land)
    Needless to say, they grabbed rings and put 'em on.

    When necessity arose, the organization blinked and quietly adjusted.
    ... and so it's been ever since. As to the present, .....

    Long before they bury the last Witness publisher (in a Shaker
    cemetary?), they're going to run out of volunteers. This problem
    has been building for decades. You can discern it in the
    requirements for Bethel service or regular pioneering, over
    time. They just aren't as zealous as they used to be.
    Even with volunteering at assemblies, remember the elaborate
    provisions for food service in the fifties? Gone! Then they
    had stands with sandwiches - Gone! I remember the 'press gangs'
    of brothers who WOULD ROAM THE HALLS trying to FORCE
    BROTHERS into volunteering!( inner city conventions in the 70's).

    The 'voluntary contribution'
    arrangement was a bust - as was the Society's insistence that
    Witness families GO OUT IN SERVICE during the convention.
    Remember that? Joe Whitebread and kids get a taste of inner city
    territory!

    The latest KM makes a plea for Bethel applicants. Who knows,
    maybe they'll have to guarantee them job training some day soon,
    just like the Army!

    One of the most stunning developments in the last few years in
    Watchtower-land is this: The WATCHTOWER CAN NEITHER EXPLAIN
    NOR PUBLICALLY DEFEND ITS DOCTRINES! Think about this!

    They can't openly attack the Catholic Church! (it would look
    intolerant) Remember cartoons of effeminate priests consorting
    with Hitler? GONE!

    They can't openly attack the U.N.! They NEED them to fight for
    religious freedom around the world.

    They can't openly identify government officials as working for
    Satan! The Legal Dept. says NO WAY!

    They can't even explain the basis of their vaunted authority,
    the 'faithful slave'. Why? How do you elaborate on a hundred
    year old circular argument?

    And a particular favorite of mine,
    THEY CAN'T DEFEND THEIR TREATMENT OF WOMEN!!!!!!!
    Think about that one - this point hasn't been exploited enough
    by you reformers! Women can't hold any position of authority, period!
    Sure, they can quote a few quick scriptures about women being
    SUBORDINATE (and hope influential 'worldly' people don't notice!).
    But they can't explain in detail or elaborate on it - remember when
    the Awake suggested that women's brains are smaller, on average?
    Shouldn't women be excluded from authority because emotion clouds
    their powers of reason??? THEY CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT. THEY CAN'T
    PUBLICALLY DEFEND IT WITH ANY DEPTH. Mainstreaming strikes again!
    Do you think they worry about governments or human rights groups
    getting upset about the inferior status of women in the Borg?

    Add to this situation the enormous 'dumbing down' of the organization. I dare anyone to compare at random any Watchtower
    volume from the sixties to the platitude laden, eight grade reading
    level mess that they crank out now. You think computers make things
    better. Not if all you do is 'cut and paste'!

    The Knowledge book seems like
    a watered down attempt at discarding the organization's more
    troublesome doctrines - please examine the way it addresses blood,
    the Gentile times and holidays for yourself - a sentence here,
    a paragraph there, of little importance, quickly forgotten.

    It shouldn't be of any surprize to the Brooklyn Junta, that they
    are losing some Witnesses suddenly. How could it be otherwise
    when the organization is so superficial? Ever hear "Boy, that
    was a deep Watchtower study article!" - and cringe?

    There is more to say but the hour grows late.
    The most interesting aspect of this mainstreaming is what the
    future holds.

    metatron

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Amen and Amen.

    Maximus

  • Eusebius Hieronymus
    Eusebius Hieronymus

    I'm taking the liberty of taking a quotation from the Blood/Lies/Priestley thread and posting it here. Speaks to the above eloquently.

    Misleading quotations are terribly dishonest. Even more dishonest is an organization refusing to openly discuss and answer for its own teachings. Time and time again the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society has simply brushed off those within its own company who have asked to have legitimate and sincere questions answered about its blood policy.

    For example, suppose two children of Jehovah’s Witnesses are in need of blood components in order to live. One needs platelets and the other needs albumin. If both sets of parents conscientiously accept the respective blood components only the two parents who allowed platelets would face congregational shunning. The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society has been asked why this is and upon what scriptural basis such a distinction could possibly be supported. Answer:

    [deafening silence!]

    Oh, they will make a reply all right. They will say a lot of words all right. But no [b]answer for the dilemma! They just keep spouting, "Our position has remained consistent" as if that is true and as if that really answers the honest question asked.

    I know personally several sincere Jehovah’s Witnesses who have tried to get the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society to answer honest and legitimate questions on this subject, to no avail. It is the height of dishonesty to assert "The Bible is our guide" on one hand yet refuse to give a solid scriptural answer for an imposed teaching on the other hand.

  • ros
    ros
    Look at articles in the media praising JW's for benefiting
    humanity because they fought in the courts. These are the
    same folks who love artwork depicting the gruesome mass death
    of their neighbors (remember the Paradise book for kids?).
    Witnesses commonly applaud at conventions when talks describe
    the same thing. We enjoy First Amendment rights because of
    Watchtower arrogance and cult-like clannishness. Good results,
    ugly motives - there's no need for thanks!

    I recently attended an interesting get-together along with some other exWitnesses. One of the speakers astutely brought to our attention just who have benefitted the most from these Watchtower court battles. Is it the average law-abiding morally-concerned citizen as they portray? No! On the contrary. Those who have gained the most from these civil-liberty battles in the courts have been people who insist on such things as the right to publish porn (like Larry Flint), those who want freedom of speech to embrace the right to shout obsenities in public wherever and in front of whomever they please, as well as activists of various non-mainstream groups, including cults. I'm sure all such groups and supporters are grateful for the Watchtower's court victories. Who knows, without their efforts, this forum might not be permitted to employ a big percent of the adjectives used here--how would things and people ever get described?

    On another note:
    While the recent reorganization of the Watchtower Society and resignation of the Governing Body members from the Corporation board has been presented as an amicable decentralization, I don't think so. I suggest it was a coup d'etat by the Society's lawyers at least as significant as when Rutherford wrested the Watchtower corporation away from the Bible Students. I would bet the Governing Body members' resignations were not voluntary; probably met with at least as much resistance as when Knorr and Fred Franz fought the rest of the organization's official GB members when they took control as a whole body in 1975.
    I think the Watchtower Society, as we have known it, has been dismantled before our virtual eyes. The Governing Body is now nothing more than a figurehead to keep the R&F apeased for the time being, not unlike the monarchy in Britain. Brooklyn the Great has fallen!

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Metraton ,

    a very interesting subject with many ideas.

    My personal opinion is similar to the words written by JANG:

    "..enough changes to make it a safer place for people emptionally and physically and to give them the freedom to leave and even change to another belief without the ostracising that now takes place.
    That is Mainstreaming/Reform"

    I do like the way you bring out each point, it leaves the person with the option
    to accept the validity or...swallow anything that come from the « mountain ».

    I’ll post again more comments. Thanks for the good work.

    To Ros : logical comments, part. the quote about the First Amend.

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Metatron,

    Thank you very much for this information. Your posts always have an "edge" like no one elses. I am glad you came over here from H20.

    On a side line you said:

    remember when the Awake suggested that women's brains are smaller, on average?

    I would love to get my hands on that article. I know just the person who needs to see that one. You wouldn't happen to be able to go into your CD Rom and copy that entire article onto this thread? - would you?

    hawk

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