Sir Fred Hoyle-Anyone read his books?

by voltaire 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • voltaire
    voltaire

    As any JW knows(ex or otherwise)Fred Hoyle is often referred to by the
    society to support the idea that evolution is not accepted by all scientists.
    In fact, one gets the impression that most scientists know that it's all nonsense,
    but that's another story.

    My queston is this: Has anyone read his books? He is qouted by the society as
    saying that inteligence is evident in the "design" of the universe. At the same
    time I've read on the net that he is quite dismissive of creationists. He seems to
    believe that life arrived here from outer-space and then evolved. Just what are his
    views on creation? Does he believe in a personal creator?

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    I sure don't think Watchtower writers have read his books, although they sure quote him as you observe. The following is taken from another thread on Blood, the Watchtower and Deceit, which I've also moved up.

    ::Let me offer another example of the use of selective quotations. For many, many years the Society has quoted famed British astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle out of context. They have portrayed him as against evolution and as a creationist. I’ll be charitable and say that writer after writer has trotted out the same stuff for years, without checking. You can find the citations for yourself, so I’ll just supply Hoyle’s.

    Take a look at the dust jacket of his book "The Intelligent Universe" which speaks for itself: "The **Darwinian** theory of evolution is shown to be plainly wrong. Life has evolved [!!!] because biological components of cosmic origin have been progressively assembled here on Earth. These components have arrived from outside, borne in from the cosmos on comets" ... "The key to understanding evolution is the virus. The viruses responsible for evolution and the viruses responsible for diseases are very similar." (Published first in 1983 by Holt, Rinehart and Winston, New York.)

    Note that it is Darwinism and not evolution that Sir Fred takes issue with. He believes that our planet is an "assembly station" that was "seeded" from outer space and that life did indeed evolve, just not from inanimate matter. Please also note that his thesis is not buried somewhere in his books; they are the heart and soul of his clearly written argument.

    It is difficult to believe that the Society’s writers have never read an entire publication by Sir Fred or more than a line or two. If they have not, their misrepresentations are indefensible. If they have read his books, they are obviously suppressing or misrepresenting what the distinguished astronomer really espouses, because it is quite impossible to read his books without understanding what he clearly articulates.

    In using this and similar books in the past, perhaps the Society’s writer looked only at the FRONT of the book’s dust jacket, whose subtitle is "A New View of Creation and Evolution," and did not look at the BACK, on which there are a picture of the astronomer and in large print the words, "We have DESCENDED FROM LIFE SEEDED FROM THE DEPTHS OF SPACE." (Caps mine.)

    On page 41 of the Creator book under the heading "A Deliberate Intellectual Act" in another, longer quotation we read (finally after all these years) the all-but-buried clause referring to Hoyle, "even espousing that life on earth arrived from outer space," while the paragraph ends by quoting him that "it seemed better to suppose that the origin of life was a deliberate intellectual act." (You are encouraged to read the entire page for yourself.)

    Sounds great, he believes in God and creation, right? Once again the sentences are taken out of context, so that the reader will infer what the author does not imply. The reader readily concludes that a toweringly important scientist believes what JWs believe.

    Read for yourself Hoyle’s discussions about cosmic intelligences superior to ours. And what does he actually believe about creation?

    In his own words: "It makes little difference whether the Universe was created in 4004 BC as Archbishop Ussher asserted, or 10,000,000 years ago, if indeed there ever was a creation, which as we have seen there are plenty of reasons to doubt." [!]

    Hoyle winds up his argument by noting: "Because the correct logical procedure is to build upwards from precisely formed subroutines, we on the Earth had to evolve [!] from a seemingly elementary starting point. Yet so powerful was the onward surge, so urgent the climb up the great mountain, that on Earth a creature at last arose with an inkling in its mind of what it really was, a whisper of its identity: We are the intelligence that preceded us in its new material representation—or rather, we are the re-emergence of that intelligence, the latest embodiment of its struggle for survival." (Pp. 238, 239.)

    You be the judge: Does Sir Fred Hoyle believe what the Society would have you think? Is the basic belief of Sir Fred Hoyle supportive of the Society’s position? Absolutely not. That hasn’t stopped them from misquoting him for years.

    A final thought: When teaching at Gilead School, Bert Schroeder (now an aged and frail member of the GB) used to cite the rule "falsus in uno, falsus in toto" as a standard to determine trustworthiness—"untrue in one, untrue in all."
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    I highly recommend Metatron's posts on Mainstreaming vs. Reform if you haven't already read them. Explains much.

    Maximus

  • voltaire
    voltaire

    I am intrigued by Hoyle's remark that there are plenty of reasns to doubt that there ever was a creation. If I'm not mistaken, he is a proponent of the steady-state theory. That is, he doesn't believe in a begining at all. If I understand him properly, he's insinuating that the inteligence behind our existence is extraterrestrial(in other words, little green men). I'll have to read his book for myself.

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    I read two of Fred Hoyle's and (to be fair to the co-author) Chandra Wickramasinghe's books. As far as I can remember, the point they try to make is that life began somewhere in the Universe and has been seeded across space for billions of years. What they propose is that the universe teems with life and suggest that observed dust clouds in space have giant particles that happen to be about the size of bacteria and thus might be bacteria. Hoyle suggests (though I find this hard to believe) that bacteria in the Earth's high atmosphere (30 miles up or more)is extra-terrestrial. Some of Hoyle's ideas are a bit far out but he certainly does not support the WTS's notions of special creation.

    Thirdson

    'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  • VM44
    VM44

    I read some of Hoyle's science fiction novels.

    One of them, "The Black Cloud" concerned an intelligent cloud of gas
    that was entering the Solar System, and was going to block the Earth
    off from sunlight.

    The scientists in the novel were able to establish communication with
    the cloud, and it altered it's course and moved out of the solar system.

    --VM44

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