by Gill 9 Replies latest jw friends
So, with the' new disassociating light' wil they have to DA all of their overweight Witnesses in line with the scriptures:
'Quit mixing with anyone who is a fornicator....greedy person...'?
Surely by their actions of overeating, and greedy persons not inheriting the kingdom, they would be 'showing by their actions' that they are not a Jehovah's Witness?
Will their be ANY Witnesses left soon, or is God sifting them?
They can't or my (former) hall would have no elders!!!
Absolutely! And doesn't that prove that they just pick whatever scriptures suit them to apply to whatever circumstances suits them?
Wouldn't happen with the elder I studied with. He's probably dead from his morbid obesity by now.
Very sorry to hear that. I have no problem with people with a weight problem but neither do I have a problem with people who like their sex, out of marriage. However, the Bible is putting the two, or three if we count the drunkards, on the same level but the WTBTS doesn't. I believe people with a drinking problem are also not Dfellowshiped.
Using their own reasoning, then it would make sense (using that term loosely) to DA anyone overweight, as well as drunkards...but then they'd see just how far they do go beyond what is written. They certainly aren't trying to expose how much bs they spew.
I am not one to point a finger when it comes to people who are overwieght. I believe I heard recently that obesity is one of North Americans biggest health concerns.
I now of many many in the organization that are fleshy. Some of it is self inflicted because they don't know when to put their fork down. Others is heiratory. Others metabolic. On the maternal side of our family we come from stock that for the most part being under 300 ibs was a miracle. I have a wonderful uncle in Florida he weighs 500 pounds. My great uncles and aunts were also huge persons. My grandma was as is my aunt, and two of my sisters. One of my sisters eats herself to oblivian and she is a witness. Go figure. The Society will never disfellowship anyone for being over wieght because so many of the brothers are rotound. Just look at a summer convention and see how many have wieght problems. Even person under undue stress can become obese.
I too am heavy but I am not a glutton or pig like some persons have infered. Are you reading this Martin.??
I must admitt if WTS did disfellowship obese persons like they do for fornicators adulterers, liars , thieves etc etc. then a big precentage of witnesses wouldn't exist. They lose half their population. In fact in certain countries in Africa the more obese a persson is the more they are desired and loved. They are equated with the majesty of the elephant. So cultural and eviromment plays a part in assessing those who would be disfellowshipped for gluttony.
Persons with wieght problems are more dispossed to sickness, high blood pressure, heart problems, strokes and diabetes. As it difficult for the metabolism in some individuals
Wether a person is fat or skinny makess no difference to me because God made all things small and large in both humans and in the animal kingdom.
Love orangefatcat.
However, the Bible is putting the two, or three if we count the drunkards, on the same level but the WTBTS doesn't.
Im not saying whats right or wrong, just how the society feels about it.
I think the WTBTS does include greedy, drunkard, gluttons on the same level as fornicators. One problem is that in a single act a person can become a fornicator accourding to the WTS. On the other hand greed, being a drukard and gluttony cant be defined in a single act and so seem to get more leeway than fornication.
The problem as the society views it in those areas is not so much the act but whether anyone knows about it.
If someone gets drunk and many ppl know about it, a jc must be formed. If no one knows, 1 elder can handle the matter through shepherding.
I totally agree on this Gill - I have, many years ago, questioned this and never received a satisfactory answer. Like you, I don't have a problem with anyone's right to live the way they want to, but I DO have a problem with people choosing to interpret Scriptures to suit. Especially when THOSE people interpret ambiguous Scriptues to suit themselves, yet ignore the Black and White ones.
The Western World is generally guilty of overeating, and we KNOW it - just as certain JW KNOW they are too. Smoking, I feel, was an ambiguous / conscience decision, and as I remember, when The Society decided to ''ban'' it, smokers were given 6 months to quit. I wonder how many would leave if they were given 6 months to alter their gluttonous lifestyles ?
Hi All!
Thanks for your replys. I was also thinking,when reading some other posts today about lying, and particularly 'theocratic warfare lying'. Then, in the circumstances of protecting the WTBTS, perhaps from legal action, by theocratic lying, the lie becomes a 'non-sin'. So what about 'theocratic fornication'. Or theocractic drunkeness or gluttony. Hard to think of how these could benefit the WTBTS but do they become non sins if they are done for reasons other than self gain or self interest.
Actually my imagination is running riot here so I'd better stop!
Is lying not still lying or drunkeness still not drunkeness. Or is it only when it suits the WTBTS?
Does it become a non-sin because so many people do it are have that problem and to disfellowship them all would be plain daft?
