Righteousness vs. Unrighteouness: "Preachers" of Which?

by AGuest 7 Replies latest jw friends

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  AGuest

  To the Household of God that is Israel, and all those who go with them...

  May you all have peace!

  I recently received the following from my Lord and have been directed to hand it down to you. May you have ears to hear.

  For many years the WTBTS has taught its followers that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness," and that by virtue of that title, he went about warning of a flood and condemning those who failed to hear and heed. They use this analogy to support their position that "righteous" people must go sound a warning to those who they believe are "alienated" from God, and that by doing so, they condemn those who refuse to hear to the fate they "deserve": destruction at Armageddon. Besides the fact that Armageddon is NOT what the WTBTS has long published it to be, nor does it occur when and in the manner they say it does, using the man Noah as a model for their "preaching work," is an error and false on its foundation. Because Noah, by virture of being righteous, could NOT have "preached" in a manner subscribed to by the WTBTS, nor could he have condemned the world of his contemporaries. For such conduct would have been considered UNRIGHTEOUS.

  There are many examples written in the Bible to help us understand how the WTBTS' position is inaccurate, and my Lord has instructed me to direct you to at least one, the account of he Pharisee and the Tax Collector. In that account, the Pharisee's prayer was one of thanks that he was "not like" other people, that basically he did everything "just so." This has long been a basis for the WTBTS false teaching that one CAN be and do everything fairly perfectly so as to gain life. However, it was NOT the Pharisee who was declared righteous, but the Tax Collector. What was his prayer? "Please forgive and have mercy on me... for I am a sinner." While the first was certain in himself that he "had no sin," and so felt no problem judging others, that latter knew himself... and was humble enough to acknowledge what he truly was before God... and ask forgiveness. By this, he was declared righteous. NOT because he was "perfect" and therefore in line to feel superior to those he felt weren't up to his/God's standard, but because he knew he WASN"T perfect and needed to depend on UNdeserved kindness...mercy.

  The man Noah, then, if righteous, could have NEVER went about warning in the way depicted by the WTBTS, nor condemning in any way. For to do so would have been UNrighteous. Rather, he was like the man Moses, who, although leading a people hard-headed, hard-hearted, stiff-necked and rebellious... SUED FOR PEACE on their behalf at every turn. He was like the man Abraham, who, upon learning the JAH's intent was to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah due to the "complaint" He'd heard about it... SUED FOR PEACE on behalf of the people who resided in those cities. Like Lot, who rather than condemned the men who wished relations with the spirits sent to him, SUED FOR PEACE by offering his daughters instead. The Samaritan man, who found his ENEMY lying hurt in the road... SUED FOR PEACE... and took responsibility for the man's care, while the man's "brothers" passed by him.

  While none of these declared themselves righteous, ALL of these, "proved" themselves to be. For all of these... and all those used by God, through Christ... acted as PRIESTS: they offered up SACRIFICES, that is prayers and supplications... on behalf of those entrusted to them... AND on behalf of their ENEMIES. For that is what a "righteous" person will do: LOVE their enemies... and PROVE themselves sons of their heavenly Father. And they did so in imitation of the CHRIST... WHO GAVE HIS LIFE ON BEHALF OF THE WORLD... who came NOT to condemn the world... but to SAVE IT.

  But what of the Watchman of Ezekiel Chapter 3? Are we not to warn the wicked as well as the righteous? Indeed, we are! But it is the MANNER and SUBSTANCE of such warning that is of debate. The WTBTS would have you believe that a warning must be of a nature so as to show that one has NO sympathy for the warned. Nothing could be farther from the truth! The warning, ANY warning, if it is RIGHTEOUS, must include sympathy, and pity and compassion, for it must be borne of a true LOVE for the warned, and not self-righteous superiority! Again, we have as an example the Christ himself: he did not go around shouting "Get your act together and follow me or you'll die!" No, he lovingly said, "Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down. Take my load for it is light and my yoke is refreshing." He said, "Come to me, all you who are thirsting, and drink!" He OPENED a way for such ones... and did so kindly, mildly, peacefully, joyfully, faithfully and patiently, in a GOOD way and with self-control. And when they didn't follow him, did he follow after them, "throwing rocks"? Of course, not! He simply continued on HIS way, leaving HIS an example of goodness in his path: feeding, healing, welcoming, forgiving, releasing.

  Thus, rather than warning and condemning, Noah INVITED those of his generation to come with him and his family, whether they were known to him or strangers. He OPENED the way into the Ark, and for this reason JAH Himself had to shut it, for Noah's "tender compassions" would not have allowed him to shut it. Rather than warning and condemning Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham CHALLENGED JAH HIMSELF, and sought mercy on behalf of those who resided for those citites. Rather than despise murmuring Israel and company, or walking away in disgust, Moses PLED for their lives before the Most Holy One of Israel Himself, JAH of Armies, and remained with them even after it cost him his right into the Promised Land. And rather than condemning the Jews, my Lord released them, even at the last hour, saying, "Father, FORGIVE them, for they don't know what they're doing."

  What is the point? I am sure you already know: that as kings and PRIESTS... it is NOT our lot to go around "warning" people in a manner that smacks of self-righteous condemnation. Rather, it is our job to first exhort, IN LOVE, and if not heeded, then to PLEAD AND SUPPLICATE THE FATHER... through the Son... on behalf of such ones. THAT... is what "proves" us righteous and so "proves" us to be sons of our heavenly Father! For it is the very "pattern" left by our Lord and which our forefathers followed from the start!

  Now, does that mean we go around saying things like "Well, I'll pray for you" to those who [we feel] don't hear? Not at all! For such statements suggest superiority and condemnation ("You didn't listen to me, so I'll pray for your soul.") IF we are truly grief-stricken over such one(s), then we will pray in the manner taught us by our Lord: sincerely... and in private... so as NOT to have our righteousness SEEN... by others. For it does not matter that others SEE it; it matters that it is SINCERE and HEARTFELT, which only our Lord and Father can determine.

  Dear ones, it is my vocation to again exhort you: STOP judging and you will by no means BE judged. STOP condemning and you will by no means BE condemned. Go RELEASING... and you will BE released. Go FORGIVING... and you will be forgiven. Show MERCY... and you will be shown mercy. You CANNOT be loving the Father, whom you have NOT seen... and hating your brother, whom you have seen, even if such "brother," is your "enemy." It just doesn't work that way.

  If, then, YOU are to truly be a "preacher of righteousness," you must let such preaching be born out by your CONDUCT... and not your words. Be a DOER... and not just a hearer. How so? By manifesting your LOVE... and not your hatred... your pity and compassion... and not your contempt and disgust. By observing the true "fast" of JAH. (Isaiah 57-58). For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All. Me... you... all. But God's undeserved mercy is reserved for all, through Christ, so that in the same measure that you are measuring out, it can be measured out to you.

  I exhort you, follow the lead of the Fine Shepherd and take the lowly seat: become servant to all, and you will be granted the higher seat. Seek to be the least, and you will become the greatest. Consider ALL others superior to you, and you will be exalted. Empty yourselves out and take a SLAVE's form, and you will be given a SON's inheritance.

  Again, may those with ears hear what the Spirit and the Bride KEEP saying:

  "Come! Take 'life's water'... FREE!"

  I, SJ, have spoken it to you just as I have heard it from my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the Son and Christ of the Most Holy One of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whose name is JAH... of Armies. May His underserved kindness and mercy, and the love and peace of His Christ be upon you, you and your entire household, if you so desire it.

  Your servant and a slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  indispair

  That was such a beautiful display of what witnessing should be. I never thought of it that way. I have been in so much fear because only Noah and his family survived? Do you think in the end days, on that narrow road to salvation that anyone will be pleading for those on the broader path? Do you think this God of mercy will forgive?

  Thanks for the thoughts and I will certainly add this to my prayers.

  Indispair
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  frankiespeakin

  That's the rediculousness of this God:

  For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All. Me... you... all. But God's undeserved mercy is reserved for all, through Christ, so that in the same measure that you are measuring out, it can be measured out to you.

  Here This God(or so it is claimed) created man imperfect(in his eyes anyway). And now they all deserve no mercy(hence recieve "undeserved" mercy). What a crock of double talk(poo poo). He should of made man more intelligent or moral according to his wishes but instead he made man with a supposed moral weakness and it is not blamed on him where it rightfully belongs but apon man whom he made to sin,,since it is claimed that God know the future before it happens. What a confussing God this is.
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  AGuest

  you err in your assumptions (may you have peace!)

  Here This God(or so it is claimed) created man imperfect(in his eyes anyway).

  The Most Holy One of Israel, whose name is JAH... of armies... created His Son... "Adham"... earthling man... is the same way He did His Son, Christ: half physical flesh, half spirit. Both had mothers of the physical realm: Adam, the earth... Christ, Mary. And both had JAH, a Spirit, as their father. Yet, one chose to rebel, and one did not.

  It is the same as with a parent and his/her children today: both can be raised by the same two people, in the same household, and yet one can go one way, causing the family major grief, while the other goes another, bringing great joy. Who's to say which one will do what? And if the stakes are the same (i.e., same household, same rules, same discipline), is it the parents' fault if one chooses to do his/her own thing, even to the detriment of the rest of the household?

  Adam was led to believe that he didn't need his father, that he could know for himself what was good... and what was bad. He already knew good... life. He also wanted to know bad... death... and was believed that he could do so... and still live... without God. It is true that we CAN know death... and still live... but NOT without eating the "food" that sustains us eternally, the "leaves" of the "Tree of Life" - that is, the flesh and blood of Christ. Adam didn't think far enough to realize that it was eating from the TREE that would save him: the one who misled him left that little part out.

  The sad thing, however, is not that Adam gave up his own life; it is that in exchange to the "knowledge" he wanted... he gave up the lives of his offspring, his entire descendency! He "made a deal with the Devil" - for our lives as well as his own! What a son, yes?!

  My Lord, however, JAH's other son, gave his life in order to repurchase ours... from Death. Same father, two sons, one who sold his own soul and his progeny's to into sin and death, the other who gave his own life to have such progeny released from sin and death.

  And now they all deserve no mercy(hence recieve "undeserved" mercy).

  I find it interesting when ones are chagrined over the fact that God's mercy is undeserved. Sin... is sin. And we have all sinned. Every one of us. And if we are too newborn yet, we will sin. Eventually. You put two or more toddlers in a room with one toy or a single serving of food, and it's only a matter of time before one (or all) of them are at each other, scratching, biting, hitting, etc. It isn't until some teaches them, "no-no" that they LEARN how to exist together and perhaps even share. Even then, when they believe no one else is looking, one (or all) of them will return to attempting to harm the other. That is the "nature" of earthling man: survival and selfishness.

  The "nature" of the spiritual man, however, is to sacrifice and give. Adham allowed the "earthling" part of his nature overshadow the "spirit" part of it. My Lord used the "spirit" part of his nature... to control the "earthling" part. WE... almost always follow the earthling part of our nature because it is stronger. As a result, we put survival and selfishness first. Thus, we sin. Can we change that and put the "spirit" nature first? Unfortunately, no: we are just not that strong. But God KNOWS this... and for those who KNOW their true nature... ACKNOWLEDGE their true nature... and ask FORGIVENESS for the acts and actions of that true nature... THROUGH CHRIST... God readily and willingly forgives.

  And it is not a matter of picking and choosing, per se: all who ask for forgiveness out of a pure desire for it... will receive it. In addition, God shows mercy to whomever He wishes, so there may be those who don't ask, per se, but SHOW their desire by how they treat others.

  What a crock of double talk(poo poo).

  You're entitled to your opinion...

  He should of made man more intelligent or moral according to his wishes

  He made man VERY intelligent... and VERY moral... along with a right to CHOOSE to be so. When we do stupid things, can we really place the blame on God? Can we place it on our parents? "You all MADE me this way and so I had no choice; I was gonna make that idiotic decision regardless, because I only have what you gave me to work with and therefore no other CHOICE." Is that right, dear Frankispeakin'?

  but instead he made man with a supposed moral weakness

  Oh, c'mon! While man may not choose his physical weaknesses, man certainly CHOOSES his moral weaknesses...

  and it is not blamed on him where it rightfully belongs but apon man whom he made to sin,

  Adam and the Christ were both made with exactly the same substance. Adam sinned, Christ did not. Why? Because Adam chose to; Christ... did not.

  since it is claimed that God know the future before it happens.

  Do you have children, dear Frankie? If so, then you know what almost every parent knows: there are some things you just KNOW your child is capable of and will do, and there are some things you don't. It is not hard for God the know the finale of matters involving earthling man, for we are a very predictable species: for the most part, we are like our forefather, Adham: rebellious (even your position attests to that); unwilling to be accountable to always ready to lay blame anywhere else, particularly with God (again, your position attests to that); and selfish (of course, we are! Whatever we do, even if it benefits others, usually has some "payoff" for us as well!).

  What a confussing God this is.

  And how ever more confusing is earthling man. That is why we have so many industries and studies devoted to understanding him... and yet, does anyone?

  I bid you peace, dear one.

  Your servant and a slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  frankiespeakin

  Ageast,

  Adam, the earth... Christ, Mary. And both had JAH, a Spirit, as their father. Yet, one chose to rebel, and one did not.

  It is the same as with a parent and his/her children today: both can be raised by the same two people, in the same household

  Your comparing apple and organges here. You can't use the child parent relationship as a comparison to God's supposed creation of man. The analogy is to dissimilar:

  God is supposed to be perfect and sinless human parents are not.

  God is supposed to know everything human parents do not.

  God is suppose to know the future accurately human parents do not.

  God is supposed to be the creator, and designer of everything that exists human parents just have sex with no choice in what type of human they produce.

  So in conclusion you analogy is in apropriate to the discussion,, it is deceptive logic,,which is in essence comparing apples to oranges,,big time. You claiming it is the same is rediculous.

  Adam was led to believe that he didn't need his father, that he could know for himself what was good...

  Here in this statement you are saying Adam was misled to beleive something,,which would make one ask then:

  Why would God create Adam to be so gulible? And then blame Adam when he acted in a gulible manner? To contridictory if you ask me.

  The sad thing, however, is not that Adam gave up his own life; it is that in exchange to the "knowledge" he wanted... he gave up the lives of his offspring, his entire descendency! He "made a deal with the Devil" - for our lives as well as his own! What a son, yes?!

  Why would God if he is "supposed" to be so loving allow Adam's mistake in judgement effect all of us who had nothing to do with what Adam did? That certainaly is not very fair and kind. And you are making also another very big assumption here in that you are implying that Adam knew when he ate the friut he would condemn the entire human race. That all assumtions!
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  AGuest

  May you have peace!

  Your comparing apple and organges here. You can't use the child parent relationship as a comparison to God's supposed creation of man.

  I can use that comparison, as that is exactly the relationship of Adham and God: child/parent.

  The analogy is to dissimilar:

  Well, let's see:

  God is supposed to be perfect

  Define for me "perfect," if you will. In the meantime, I will define it for you: to love even one's enemies. Human parents can do that.

  and sinless human parents are not.

  I would have to disagree: sinLESS parents would indeed be perfect; however, sinFUL parents would not. You also have it backwards with regard to sin: it does not lead us to be unloving. It is the lack of love... that leads us to sin. It is what led Adham to sin: he loved himself MORE than his offspring.

  God is supposed to know everything

  Indeed. Even what is in us, regardless of whether we ourselves acknowledge it or not. All Adham needed to do was own up to his error - take responsibility for it - be accountable. And ask forgiveness. It would have been granted him. He didn't however, choosing to blame everyone but himself. So, he got what he wanted: to know bad. His Father did not deprive him of what he desired, even though it was detrimental, because Adham basically argued that he knew what was best for him... and his progeny.

  human parents do not.

  Human parents do not need to know everything. Knowing everything is not and has never been required.

  God is suppose to know the future accurately

  And so far, so good.

  human parents do not.

  Human parents don't need to know the future accurately.

  God is supposed to be the creator, and designer of everything that exists

  Indeed. Even "bad." But you miss the point: HE created and so HE has privilege that we don't have. Just like a human parent has in many regards, while his/her child does not. And it is that way for the same reason: the inexperience of the child, which can lead to his/her detriment.

  human parents just have sex with no choice in what type of human they produce.

  Now, that's a stretch. Human parents do have SOME influence over the type of persons their children turn out to be. It's not a total "crap shoot," by no means. The point is that in some instances, indeed many, no matter HOW well the parents attempt to teach their children, there are still those that will rebel. Adham was one of those.

  So in conclusion you analogy is in apropriate to the discussion,

  Again, I must disagree: the analogy is quite appropriate, given what I know about God and His Sons, Adham, and my Lord, JAHESHUA. I can understand how it would seem off to you, however, because that's what usually occurs when one has little or no understanding of a matter. But please do not think that I fault you: one can only speak truthfully as to what one knows. That you don't know is no reason for me to consider your position or arguments any less: you are entitled to your opinion, and I certainly respect you for it. Please do not take offense, though, when I speak in response, based on what I know, for I mean no offense, but only to tell you the truth as it has been revealed to me.

  it is deceptive logic

  I can see how it would appear that way to you...

  which is in essence comparing apples to oranges,,big time. You claiming it is the same is rediculous.

  As I can see this. Because if you only know of green apples, when someone speaks to you about MacIntoshes, you might be inclined to think they're actually talking about oranges. That's could be because you've never really seen a red apple. True, you may have heard of them... and perhaps folks have promised you for eons that they can show you one. But no one ever seems to produce one for you. I have seen a MacIntosh, and I can tell you... all apples are not green. I can also tell you that you do not need to take my word for it: all you need do is ask the Cultivator, and the red apples can become "seen" by you, too.

  you are saying Adam was misled to beleive something...

  Which I must correct: Adham led himself to believe something.

  which would make one ask then: Why would God create Adam to be so gulible? And then blame Adam when he acted in a gulible manner? To contridictory if you ask me.

  Adham wasn't gullible. Adham knew what he was giving up: life. For himself and his progeny. It was his own DESIRE that misled him, not God's error in creating him. That desire allowed him to proceed on what he knew to be a lie. Why? Because people WANT to be lied to, even when they know something is not true. Don't believe me? Look at all of the people who are misled by religious propaganda that they KNOW isn't true. Look at the members of the WTBTS. It is as JAH Himself said:

  "The prophets themselves actually prophesy in falsehood; and as for the priests, they go subduing according to their powers. And my own people have LOVED it that way."

  Adham was not deceived. He knew he would die... but he CHOSE to "know bad"... KNOW death... because he thought it would make him "like God." He was not satisfied with his portion, son, but wanted exaltation. Something he was not yet experienced enough to handle. He received... humiliation. For himself... and his offspring.

  Why would God if he is "supposed" to be so loving allow Adam's mistake in judgement effect all of us who had nothing to do with what Adam did?

  Well, you kind of have this backward, too. GOD didn't allow Adham's error effect us all. DEATH held Adham... and his progeny... to it, because that was the deal that Adham made! Through the chief agent of Death, Satan, Adham made a deal with Death: his physical life and that of his progeny, in exchange for the opportunity to be like God: knowing good... AND bad. This is, knowing life... AND death! GOD... gave His other Son, the Christ... to UNDO what Adham did. Thus, that that One, the Chief Agent of LIFE... we can be RELEASED from the "effect" of what Adham did.

  That certainaly is not very fair and kind.

  (Shaking head) You see, THIS is what gets me: Adham sold you into sin and death... and you find no error with him, no blame. GOD... LOVED THE WORLD SO MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY-BEGOTTON SON... and yet, you find error and blame. Truly, who's logic is flawed?

  And you are making also another very big assumption here in that you are implying that Adam knew when he ate the friut he would condemn the entire human race.

  Adham... made a conscious choice... to sell his life... and his offspring's... in order to know bad. That is not an assumption; that is what occurred. Again, you truly do not need to take my word for it. The Truth... is out there. He is alive... and speaks!

  As before, I bid you peace, dear Frankie... and ears to hear.

  Your servant, and a slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  avengers

  This is what happens to balogna.
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  frankiespeakin

  Aguest,

  As before, I bid you peace, dear Frankie... and ears to hear.

  Your servant, and a slave of Christ,

  SJ

  I may be a little deaf but I seem to hear good enough. And may you have peace likewise and the wisdom to see a psychiatrist because you are very delusional. I would recomend perhaps a Transpersonal Psychiatrist they seem to work a lot of good with people that have ears to "hear" voices from God.