Dub-in-the-Pub Raided For Fraudulent Claims.

by Englishman 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    I've just been told that my elder drinking pal, Mr Dub-in-the-pub, has been raided by the DSS. Apparently he's been drawing Invalidity Benefit for the last 15 years (why?) and hasn't informed Social Security that he's also in full time work. The DSS are taking a very dim view, and as well as wanting their money refunded, are eager to prosecute through the Magistrates Courts.

    He's informed the local dub hierarchy who have told him that he can remain an elder unless the matter becomes public, that is, if he is prosecuted by the police and it makes the local newspaper. So far, only about 60 of us know about this. I wonder what will happen to him?

    Englishman.

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • patio34
    patio34

    Hi E-Man,

    What is DSS? Was the elder working full-time secularly or did it mean full-time in the Borg?

    It sounds as though he's in serious trouble. Whew!

    Pat

  • Francois
    Francois

    So it's OK by the Witnesses to commit fraud upon not only the government, but also upon all those whose income is confiscated by the state to support that kind of freeloading?

    Wasn't it Jesus who said, "Let him who will not work not eat"?

    It would do for the Dubs and the socialists to take note of that sentiment.

    Francois

    Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Patio 34,

    DSS = Department of Social Security, an umbrella for unemployment, sickness and invalidity payments through the State, also responsible for old-age pensions etc. They operate their own normally inefficient system of spot-checks upon claimants.

    D-I-B works at a SECULAR occupation for a local company, so has been allegedly receiving dishonestly claimed supplementary payments via the State.

    Englishman.

    PS: State = UK Government, not like US state.

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • metatron
    metatron

    How typical of the organization's corruption!

    Elders can molest children, lie and cheat the congregation,
    commit adultery, and steal -- as long as it's kept covered
    up!

    When I said these idiots were going 'mainstream', this
    isn't what I had in mind!

    metatron

  • Tanalyst
    Tanalyst

    Your elder drinking buddy - have you "marked" him?

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    Didn't it used to be DHSS, Englishman? No surprise if it was; Govts love to reshuffle departments and treat it as real change. The Govt here in Oz merged DSS, the Commonwealth Employment Service and Austudy (student grants) into one unwieldy entity called Centrelink. New Zealand did something similar when they created WINZ (Work and Income New Zealand)

  • Number 6
    Number 6

    Stephanus:

    Not been the DHSS for many many years. Possibly back to the days of Thatcher? (Remember her?) If Tony Blair has his way we'll just have one huge "Department for the People" in 5 years time. Dealing with everything in a huge private public partnership. (Sorry UK political joke there.)

    Eman:

    How the hell did he manage 15 yrs. My wife tried it for 3 months, got caught and had to pay it back. Perhaps you could "enlighten" the local press. Depends on how much of a "friend" you local dub is.

    6

    I am not a dub I am a free man.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Unless his deception becomes a “scandal in the community,” I doubt anything will happen in spite of the “Society’s” words on the matter. Actions speak louder than words.

    *** w94 11/15 27-8 "If You Owe Taxes, Pay Taxes" ***
    When it comes to paying taxes, each Christian must shoulder the responsibility of being honest and law-abiding. This is not a matter in which the congregation elders supervise the flock under their care. (Compare 2 Corinthians 1:24.) They do not involve themselves in tax matters unless some case of serious wrongdoing, perhaps involving scandal in the community, comes to their attention.

    *** w83 4/1 8-10 The Uses and Abuses of Welfare ***
    By the same token, it is proper to accept any of these benefits to which we are legally entitled because of present circumstances.

    The lure of available state financial assistance can lead to other problems. Not long ago a man immigrated to a country with such benefits and applied for unemployment assistance. In his application he concealed the fact that he owned property in his home country—a fact that would have made him ineligible for benefits. Hence, he got money from the state by concealing the truth.

    Deception may be practiced in many ways.

    …typical abuses of the welfare system. By concealing facts, telling outright lies or in some other way violating Christian principles, it is sometimes possible to deceive the authorities and get extra money. But the Bible warns: “The devious person is a detestable thing to Jehovah, but His intimacy is with the upright ones.” It also states: “The getting of treasures by a false tongue is an exhalation driven away, in the case of those seeking death.” (Proverbs 3:32; 21:6) No Christian would want to be detestable in Jehovah’s eyes, just for financial gain.

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