FDS and deception/exploitation of dubs

by greendawn 7 Replies latest jw experiences

greendawn

If a dub asked you to give him some instances where the Faithful and Discreet Slave ie their leadership has committed shameless and blatant acts of deception and manipulation on them, what would you choose to open his eyes to the realities of this issue?
purplesofa

Look at this thread......about halfway through it Elsewhere posted a magazine......notice the circled part in red that says 20th century.......That was in the original mag...
When the bound volumes came out and on the cd rom.......notice how the wording has been changed.......
I would say this blatant act of deception and manipulation. What do you think .........will it help?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/88477/1.ashx
purps
blondie

The WTS conceals the fact that they taught that 1874 was the year of Christ's presence not 1914. It wasn't until 1943 that they corrected this.
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w74 8/15 p. 507 No Spiritual "Energy Crisis" for Discreet Ones ***
In 1943 the Watch Tower Society?s book "The Truth Shall Make You Free" did away with the nonexistent extra 100 years in the period of the Judges and placed the end of 6,000 years of man?s existence in the 1970?s. It also fixed the beginning of Christ?s presence, not in 1874, but in 1914 C.E.
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w93 1/15 p. 5 ?Caught Away to Meet the Lord??How? ***
The
Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus? presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914.
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w84 12/1 p. 14 Happy Are Those Found Watching! ***
Russell and his associates quickly understood that Christ?s presence would be invisible. They disassociated themselves from other groups and, in 1879, began publishing spiritual food in Zion?s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ?s Presence. From its first year of publication, this magazine pointed forward, by sound Scriptural reckoning, to the date 1914 as an epoch-making date in Bible chronology. So when Christ?s invisible presence began in 1914, happy were these Christians to have been found watching! For over a century, this magazine, now called The Watchtower?Announcing Jehovah?s Kingdom, has helped an ever-increasing number of true Christians to "keep looking" and "keep awake." (Mark 13:33) Just how this has been done will be considered in the following article.
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w54 7/15 p. 443 This Generation?s Disgusting Alliance ***
For many years prior to 1914 Christendom was warned of her sins. As early as 1877 the year 1914 was heralded as significant, and from that time onward it was widely publicized. With the coming of 1914 world war started, as Jesus said would happen at the time of his second presence. Thereafter followed the series of events Jesus said would be the sign of his heavenly enthronement as king. (Matt. 24:3-16)
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kc chap. 14 pp. 138-139 The King Reigns! ***
We can be happy that God long ago had recorded in his Word prophecies that so clearly give the timing of Jesus? coming as Messiah in 29 C.E., and also of his "presence" as glorious heavenly King from 1914 C.E.
*** km 4/81 p. 1 Congregation Meetings?Part VI: Appreciating the "Watchtower" Study ***
Vital truths have been brought to the attention of Jehovah?s people through The Watchtower. From the start, it has been boldly highlighting God?s heavenly kingdom as man?s real hope; giving proof that Christ?s presence is invisible; and announcing that 1914 marks the end of the Gentile Times.
greendawn

Purplesofa, that should help since the preaching "work" was not completed as they said by 1999 and we are now in the 21st century so they had to change it and I also notice the grandiose claim that they are completing the apostles preaching work in our days (LOL).

What did you do with those magazines and books by the way did you burn, sell, donate them?

Personally I can recall three acts of deceit that were practiced on me, I was told before baptism:

1.The WTS was NOT responsible for the 1975 end of times debacle but instead some irresponsible individuals who were spreadind unfounded rumours, the WTS would never set such a date because we simply don't know when Eve was created (Note: it seems as though Eve was not created for at least 30 years after Adam since we are now in 2005)

2.The GB in Brooklyn is constantly in touch with all members of the annointed and they exchange ideas.
This I found later to be a blatant lie, the GB do not want to consult anyone since that would mean sharing power and status something they absolutely hate to do.

3.That if you get baptised the JWs will treat you more like a brother.
In fact the opposite was true after baptism you felt more isolated and abandoned.
rebel8
My tops are:
UN NGO membership documents
WTS ownership of stock in military manufacturing company
WTS letter to Hitler circa 1934 criticizing Jews and supporting his stance
End of the world predictions in WTS literature
Recent Canada case where elders purposely attempted to divert documentation of child molester counseling despite subpoena
All can be found in this forum.
ezekiel3

WTS letter to Hitler circa 1934 criticizing Jews and supporting his stance

This one is my favorite because all you need to know is on the WT CD.
The key issue in this event was whether the German translation of the "Declaration" was changed from Rutherford's original English manuscript.
WTS tries to water down the "Declaration" in 1974 by blaming Brother Balzereit:
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yb74 pp. 110-111 Germany (Part One) ***
BERLIN
CONVENTION ON JUNE 25, 1933
By the summer of 1933 the work of Jehovah?s witnesses had been banned in the majority of German states. The brothers? homes were being searched regularly and many brothers had been arrested. The flow of spiritual food was partially hampered, although only for a time; still many brothers were asking how long it would be possible to continue the work. In this situation the congregations were invited on very short notice to a convention to be held in Berlin on June 25. Since it was expected that many would be unable to attend because of the various bans, the congregations were encouraged to send at least one or several delegates. But, as it turned out, 7,000 brothers got there. For many of them it took three days, some riding bicycles the entire distance, whereas others went by truck, since the bus companies refused to rent buses to a banned organization.
Brother Rutherford, who, together with Brother Knorr, had come to Germany just a few days before in order to see what could be done to ensure the safety of the Society?s property, had prepared a declaration with Brother Balzereit to be presented to the convention delegates for adoption. It was a protest against the meddling of the Hitler government into the preaching work we were doing. All high government officials, from the Reich?s president on down, were to receive a copy of the declaration, if possible, by registered mail. Several days before the convention started Brother Rutherford returned to America.
Many in attendance were disappointed in the "declaration," since in many points it failed to be as strong as the brothers had hoped. Brother Mütze from Dresden, who had worked closely with Brother Balzereit up until that time, accused him later of having weakened the original text. It was not the first time that Brother Balzereit had watered down the clear and unmistakable language of the Society?s publications so as to avoid difficulties with governmental agencies.
A large number of brothers refused to adopt it just for this reason. In fact, a former pilgrim brother by the name of Kipper refused to offer it for adoption and another brother substituted. It could not be rightfully said that the declaration was unanimously adopted, even though Brother Balzereit later notified Brother Rutherford that it had been.
The conventioners returned home tired and many were disappointed. They took 2,100,000 copies of the "declaration" home with them, however, and made fast work of distributing them and sending them to numerous persons in positions of responsibility. The copy sent to Hitler was accompanied by a letter that, in part, read:
"The Brooklyn presidency of the Watch Tower Society is and always has been exceedingly friendly to Germany. In 1918 the president of the Society and seven members of the Board of Directors in America were sentenced to 80 years? imprisonment for the reason that the president refused to let two magazines in America, which he edited, be used in war propaganda against Germany."
Even though the declaration had been weakened and many of the brothers could not wholeheartedly agree to its adoption, yet the government was enraged and started a wave of persecution against those who had distributed it.
In 1998, WTS flip-flops on the "declaration" as clear evidence contradicts their blantant spin. WTS stills maintains their "political neutrality" (and no apologies to the Balzereit family):
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g98 7/8 Jehovah?s Witnesses?Courageous in the Face of Nazi Peril ***
A
Statement of Intent
With the government in transition and the country in turmoil, the Witnesses wanted to make a clear statement of their position. By means of the "Declaration," the Witnesses strongly denied accusations of financial involvement or political ties with Jews. Thus, the document stated:
"It
is falsely charged by our enemies that we have received financial support for our work from the Jews. Nothing is farther from the truth. Up to this hour there never has been the slightest bit of money contributed to our work by Jews."
Having mentioned money, the "Declaration" went on to denounce unfair practices of big business. It said: "It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations."
This statement clearly did not refer to the Jewish people in general, and it is regrettable if it has been misunderstood and has given cause for any offense. Some have claimed that Jehovah?s Witnesses shared the hostility toward the Jews that was commonly taught in the German churches at the time. This is absolutely untrue. By their literature and conduct during the Nazi era, the Witnesses rejected anti-Semitic views and condemned the Nazi mistreatment of the Jews. Certainly, their kindness toward Jews who shared their lot in the concentration camps provides a resounding rebuttal to this false accusation. See link below and decide for yourself
The "Declaration" defined the Witnesses? work as religious in character, stating: "Our organization is not political in any sense. We only insist on teaching the Word of Jehovah God to the people."
The "Declaration" also reminded the government of its own promises. The Witnesses upheld certain high ideals, and these happened to be publicly espoused also by the German government. Among these were family values and religious freedom.
In this regard, the "Declaration" added: "A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications, and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness."
Thus, the Witnesses never expressed support for the Nazi Party. Moreover, in the exercise of religious freedom, they did not intend to stop their public preaching.?Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20.
According to the account in the 1974 Yearbook of Jehovah?s Witnesses, some German Witnesses were disappointed that the language of the "Declaration" was not more explicit in tone. Had the branch office manager, Paul Balzereit, weakened the text of the document? No, for a comparison of the German and the English texts shows that this is not the case. Evidently, an impression to the contrary was based on the subjective observations of some who were not directly involved in the preparation of the "Declaration." Their conclusions may also have been influenced by the fact that Balzereit renounced his faith only two years later.
It is now known that a ban on Jehovah?s Witnesses in Germany had been issued on Saturday, June 24, 1933, just the day before the Berlin convention. The convention organizers and the police learned of this ban a few days later. In view of the climate of tension and the evident hostility of Nazi officials, it is remarkable that the convention was held at all. It is no exaggeration to say that 7,000 Witnesses courageously put their liberty at risk by attending the gathering.
Following the convention, the Witnesses distributed 2.1 million copies of the "Declaration." Some Witnesses were arrested immediately and sent to labor camps. Thus, the Nazi government fully revealed its oppressive, violent nature and soon launched an all-out attack on this small group of Christians.
Wrote Professor Christine King: "Brute force could not suppress the Witnesses, the Nazis were to learn." It was as the "Declaration" stated: "The power of Jehovah God is supreme and there is no power that can successfully resist him."
[Footnote]
Space does not allow us to supply full documentation for this historical account. However, a list of complete references is available upon request from the publishers. You may also find it enlightening to view the videocassette documentary entitled Jehovah?s Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault.
So the question to ask you local JW is: Why did the 1974 Yearbook lie about the facts??
More info here: http://quotes.watchtower.ca/nazi_conciliation.htm
greendawn

Another strange thing is that they used Greber a spiritistic medium to help them translate their Bible, they later falsely denied that they knew that Greber was using the spirits beyond (demons) for his work.
It is also interesting that Rutherford was functioning in a similar way making himself a channel for the knowledge transmitted by, supposedly, God's angels the same claim that Greber made. In both cases they were in fact channelling demonic influences and hence the fact that the WTS continues to be under the same intense demonic influences to this day.
Russell also had similarly relaxed views about the subject even promoting a book that contained the knowledge transmitted to a woman medium by a fallen angel.
This org always had one foot in Christainity, LOL, and one in a demon infested occultism. Could that be the fundamental evil that people are facing here, those who remain in and those that left?
Honesty

Let the JW see the the WT 02/15/05 that was studied on 04/03/05 .
Paragraph 14:
14 Yes, some might ridicule or oppose you. (Jude 18) If others do not respond favorably to your efforts to explain your values to them, do not get discouraged. (Ezekiel 3:7, 8) No matter how determined you are, you are never going to convince people who have no desire to be convinced. Remember Pharaoh. No plague or miracle not even the personal loss of his firstborn was able to persuade Pharaoh that Moses was speaking on behalf of Jehovah. Therefore, do not let fear of man paralyze you. Trust and faith in God can help us overcome fear.Proverbs 3:5, 6; 29:25.
The bible proves otherwise:

*** Rbi8 Exodus 5:1-2 ***
5 And afterward Moses and Aaron went in and proceeded to say to Phar'aoh: ?This is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said, ?Send my people away that they may celebrate a festival to me in the wilderness.?? 2 But Phar'aoh said: Who is Jehovah, so that I should obey his voice to send Israel away I do not know Jehovah at all and, what is more, I am not going to send Israel away.
*** Rbi8 Exodus 8:7-8 ***
8 In time Phar'aoh called Moses and Aaron and said: Entreat Jehovah that he may remove the frogs from me and my people, as I want to send the people away that they may sacrifice to Jehovah.
*** Rbi8 Exodus 8:28 ***
28 Phar'aoh now said: I-I shall send YOU away, and YOU will indeed sacrifice to Jehovah YOUR God in the wilderness. Only do not make it quite so far away that YOU are going. Make entreaty in my behalf.
*** Rbi8 Exodus 9:27 ***
27 Eventually Phar'aoh sent and called Moses and Aaron and said to them: I have sinned this time. Jehovah is righteous, and I and my people are in the wrong.
*** Rbi8 Exodus 10:16-17 ***
16 So Phar'aoh hurriedly called Moses and Aaron and said: I have sinned against Jehovah YOUR God and against YOU. 17 And now pardon, please, my sin just this once and ENTREAT Jehovah YOUR God that he may turn away just this deadly plague from upon me.
*** Rbi8 Exodus 10:24 ***
24 After that Phar'aoh called Moses and said: Go, SERVE Jehovah. Only YOUR sheep and YOUR cattle will be detained. YOUR little ones also may go with YOU.

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