Disfellowshipping on Trial

by joelbear 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    The issue of the responsibility of elders in Jehovah's Witness congregations is under discussion on several threads currently.

    What I really believe should be on trial here is the whole idea of a group of men being set up to make such extremely serious decisions regarding the lives of others.

    By discouraging the use of professionals to assist in psychological matters, family matters, and most seriously matters of abuse, the Watchtower society brings much responsibility for its actions and their affects onto itself.

    Tattoogirl addresses this on another thread. Can men judge men? Can janitors and laborers and accountants help an abused woman or child by reading them a few scriptures?

    Can any 3 or 6 or 9 or 1000 men look at me or anyone and sum up all of our life experiences, all the things we have been through, our physical, genetic, chemical, mental and emotional make up and render a decision that has severe psychological affects?

    This is by far the most serious offense of the Watchtower organization. By placing itself and the need for reconciliation with a human congregation above direct repentence before god and seeking his forgiveness and his forgiveness alone, it disavows the Biblical teaching of Christ's sacrifice.

    It adds definitions and descriptions to sin and makes confession to men a condition of forgiveness and salvation. In doing so, it negates the entire construct of salvation through Christ. Salvation through approaching god and god alone. It is the most reprehensible thing anyone or any group could do. It supplants god and Christ.

    It disgusts me utterly. The hurt it has caused is irreparable.

    peace

    Joel

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Joel, I resonate deeply with your expressions, powerful in their simplicity.

    You've effectively identified the central problem of the organization.

    No litigation, money damages, abject apologies, or the like can ever repair the human damage, whose dimension is incalculable.

    I especially appreciate your choice of the word "peace," because that fine biblical expression has so much more attached to it than the absence of strife. I join you.

    Shalom.

    Maximus

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Joelbear -

    I couldn't have said it better! Thank you for putting it so simply. Yes, I agree - the harm done is immeasurable. God be with us all!

    Billygoat

  • slipnslidemaster
    slipnslidemaster
    The hurt it has caused is irreparable.

    Time heals all wounds. (((((((((( joelbear ))))))))))

    We will have peace for our hurts and our hearts.

    Slipnslidemaster: "The gods too are fond of a joke."
    - Aristotle

  • metatron
    metatron

    Eloquent, articulate and beautiful.

    Somebody on H20 used to compare it to giving a puppy
    or kitten to a very small child. Such a gift is an
    awful mistake because the child could cause horrible
    suffering to the animal out of ignorance.

    So too with these polyester suited window washers
    who arrogantly believe themselves appointed by God.

    metatron

  • teejay
    teejay

    Joel,

    Underlying the df'ing practice is the elder's belief (as well as the belief of the JW community as a whole) that they are acting in the name of god, number one, and number two, the belief that they are doing something that will, in the end, help the individual.

    Couple that with their devotion to "mommie" (aka the nameless, faceless "Society") and their deep and undying need to maintain a position of honor and power that would be well beyond their grasp in the real world and you have a mighty fine recipe for human misery, recounted thousands of times.

    In the larger picture, don't look for it to change anytime soon. Let's just hope that an odd elder or two is reading here and might be able to swing a judicial committee every now and then.

    peace,
    tj

  • Roamingfeline
    Roamingfeline

    Good post, Joel, and so very true. Thanks.

    RCat

  • gsark
    gsark

    Good Going, JoelBear

    Biblical scholarship aside, the results of one of the most failed social experiments inside an american religios organization should, in and of itself, attest to its unscripturalness.

    For if disfellowshipping/shunning was effective, what are WE all doing here...

    Hee Hee....

    Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Well articulated Joel.

    Added to the thoughts you express is that the elders do not see themselves as sinners. I have posted this thought on a previous occasion. The 'average' JW believes that they suffer the effects of imperfection as inherited from Adam. To this extent they are in a sinful state, but "sin" to a JW is equated with what the "Flock" book terms "Gross Sin". Thus sin = immorality and the like; things that the spiritually weak do.

    Jesus uttered poignant words to Simon the Pharisee: "Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven-for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little." - Luke 7:47 (NIV)

    These words could well apply to the modern-day Pharisees, the elder 'class'. They judge with rules that have been added to Christian law in the form of the Flock book. If they had an attitude that was truly Christlike, we would find them displaying more Christian forgiveness and compassion. But of course we don't find that. The organisation has replaced Jesus as the mediator, the way of salvation. What else could we expect then but that judicial committees judge with a company rule book. The results are evident from the many expressions of hurt that are expressed in posts on this board.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "You can know the law by heart, without knowing the heart of it"
    Philip Yancey, What's So Amazing About Grace?

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