Witnesses and Inverse Philosophies

by IP_SEC 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Jehovah's witnesses get some pretty ridiculous counsel from HQ. I'm talking about counsel in areas that should be second nature. A couple examples that spring to mind, which have been discussed ad nauseum are tipping at restaurants and being kind to worldly folk. Last night's service meeting had a 20 minute part on being kind to worldly people.

    Children need to be reminded to be kind and thankful, adults do not.

    Fools and bad people don't tip. Dolts and the disturbed are the ones who are unkind to people they don't know. Are witnesses fools and bad people? Well some are, but most are a product of their way of life and teachings.

    The relationship between witnesses and the leadership kind of reminds me of the relationship between the Pharisees and the common Jews.

    Pharisees hated the commoners because they were uneducated brutes lacking the refinement of the upper class. The problem was that the Pharisees kept the commoners under their thumb and bound them with such heavy loads that all one could really expect was boorish behavior

    The Watchtower society causes their own problems. They teach that billions of people are worm food. Only the truly wicked do not convert, and those who leave are especially demon infested. They give members an elitist, boorish attitude but then expect them to be kind and refined to non members.

    Why should I tip a worldly person? That money is much better deposited as 'treasures in heaven' by donating it to the World Wide Work. Why should I waste my time being kind to a worldling, the end is around the corner and they are about to be destroyed.

    Part of the problem is that witnesses believe a person must cultivate the fruitage of the spirit. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Holy Spirit is like a tree that produces love, joy, peace, long-suffering, KINDNESS etc. A farmer does not cultivate a certain fruit; he cultivates the plant that produces the fruit. Holy Spirit is the plant. If a person has Holy Spirit then those fruitages will become a part of him. That's why Galatians 5:16 NWT says: 16 But I say, Keep walking by spirit and YOU will carry out no fleshly desire at all.

    You see, the flesh makes it natural to do the works of the flesh. The Spirit overturns the flesh and creates a spiritual man or woman. It then becomes unnatural for a Spirit led person to do the works of the flesh.

    Kindness is a fruitage of the Spirit. Witnesses, like children who have not grown past their child like, selfish ways, must be reminded to be kind.

    What do you think? Do witnesses have Holy Spirit?

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    IP... I felt inverse the whole time I was around those peckerwoods

    ~Hill

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    The Watchtower society causes their own problems. They teach that billions of people are worm food. Only the truly wicked do not convert, and those who leave are especially demon infested. They give members an elitist, boorish attitude but then expect them to be kind and refined to non members.

    I believe this is an intentional scheme to make themselves look good while still maintaining the cult elitist mentality. They say "be nice to worldly people" blahbetty blah blah blah, but it's backhanded advice. It's usually accompanied by instructions to not associate yourself with them, look down on them, regard them as being on death row, they might be demonized, etc. (Maybe not in those words, but that's the flavor of it.)

    The dubs learn to be backhanded too. When someone asks a direct question, ie, "Are you supposed to be nice to non-JWs?" Their answer is an automatic "yes". But in reality they're still looking down on them, etc.

    To answer your question about holy spirit, my answer is no. I do not think anyone has holy spirit. I think holy spirit is imaginary.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Got your PM, IP. Understood ;)

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    What's funny is that the term "worldly" is an adjective not a noun.

    It is a characteristic behaviour and qualities... that are anti-christian...

    It is NOT a term to denote JW and non-JW as they've made it.... for example a group of "christians" could all be "elders" and all go out for a drink... one is a recovering alcoholic... his is now among "worldly" or "bad association" for HIM!

    They love everything to be black and white, as grey takes thought and use of YOUR conscience (not the WTS mandated one).

    Cults SUCK!!!

    u/d

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    IP_SEC:

    You are right about them causing their own problems. But also they enable problems that already exist. Let me explain: I have known dubs who were very dysfunctional - bad backgrounds - who had very bad habits and poor living skills. These people were a nuisance to be around and you had to be careful how you spoke to them. One such person when counseled by another dub about something annoying they were doing responded: "if you have love you wouldn't say or notice something like that" or words to that effect. In other words, this person felt they were doing the service so everything is okay. People should overlook certain things.

    While I am not blaming them for people being dysfunctional their lack of emphasis on education keeps these persons from bettering themselves.

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    As a witness I found it disturbing to be with a group of JW out to dinner and then few of them would leave tips for the waitressand the rest didn't. When I would see them do that, I would say something. They would say they're worldly, better to contribute to the kingdom work. I told them that I had been a worldly person and a waitress at one time. If Jehovah's witnesses had treated me that way I would never have listened to their message because they preached loved then treated worldly people like dirt. Well needless to say they all left tips if they were around me. This was during the 30 years I was a JW. Anytime I heard them talking down about worldly people I would say Hay I used to be a worldly person. A little respect please. Oddly enough I had several that wanted to be friends with me. Others thought I was arrogant.

    The WTS contributed to the negative attitudes because of refering to them all the time as non-believers, or un-believers. Always in a negative manner. I always felt that many of them put their own twist and arrogance on their behavior. My ex-husband certainly did and he was worldly before he became a witness too. But he thought the self-righteous attitude was justifified because JW were the chosen people. I used to say yah and they can lose that favored position too if their not careful.

  • upside/down
    upside/down
    refering to them all the time as non-believers, or un-believers

    Of course, the Dubs I was around called them "worldlings",,, what the hell is that?

    Doesn't even sound human.... sub-human at best...

    Crawl back into your holes all you "worldlings"!!!

    u/d (of the "worldlings" class)

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