"those Jehovah's Witnesses as they believed then, are long gone..."

by sf 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • sf
    sf

    Surfed upon this while in a search on USENET. Try to get past the drama and get to the meat of the post. Submit any comments you have re: the title of my thread, thx, if you wish:

    Does someone have to spell it out to you about why LP obviously didn't
    describe all these details? First and foremost, why should he hand on a
    silver platter a description of the "lay of the land" to sock puppets on
    this newsgroup, so they can proceed to perpetrate fraud by claiming they
    attend Camden congregations (and using LP's description of the surroundings
    to lend credibility)?

    And besides, we all know that if LP described all these details, YOU would
    chide "that's a lie! You say the carpet was green and I happen to know
    otherwise, but I'm not letting on the REAL color of the carpet!" or similar
    attacks on everything he said. After all, somebody would have to visit
    Camden themselves to verify whether the carpet was really green, for
    instance! Then if that somebody posted that "yes, the carpet is really
    green, LP was right!" then YOU would simply state arbitrarily, "you are a
    LIAR! The carpet is NOT green! You're obviously an LP sock puppet!"

    In other words, why should LP even get started trying to dignify your
    various accusations under nameless personas that repeatedly ask him for
    specific details, when IF he were to provide those details, YOU would
    automatically claim he was lying? Let's keep in mind that truth is not the
    issue as far as you're concerned. LP could give a 100% accurate description
    of those details down to the pattern of the wallpaper, and you would
    automatically claim he was a liar, knowing that most readers would never
    book a trip to Camden to see for themselves. Anyone who did so would be
    attacked by you as also a liar.

    You're like a cartoon character or a caricature of the evil apostate as some
    over-zealous brothers and sisters might envision. I almost get the sense
    that perhaps YOU are not at all whom you seem... I get a sense that this
    whole drama that has been played out on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is like a
    grim fairy tale or stage play of Phantom of the Opera. You're the villain,
    and you think you're making some kind of point by playing the roles of all
    these so-called JWs who are based on REAL PEOPLE you once knew!

    Your drama is retro-1970's and you need to attend a few meetings to get a
    sense of whom Jehovah's Witnesses TODAY really are all about. You forget
    that a whole new younger generation has taken the helm... kids in your
    former congregation are now ELDERS today! I don't think you realize that
    your audience, this newer generation, sees right through you because of your
    retro views about JWs, and those between that generation and your own
    generation recognize you are trying to work out psychological issues from
    decades ago, not realizing that those days, and those Jehovah's Witnesses as
    they believed then, are long gone. JWs today are baffled by you, because
    it's different today, for lack of a better word, it is a "reformed"
    organization. Those becoming governing body members today were young men in
    the 1970's whom, before becoming JWs, were part of the "disco" generation
    listening to retro 70's music. Your issues are with individuals running the
    organization who have long since passed away or are passing away of advanced
    old age. You don't understand that JWs have become a mainstream religion
    whom I believe are still unique in our zeal to share our faith with others
    publicly, but not nearly as overly zealous in some areas as we mature as
    Christians. Without you, this newsgroup would indeed become an uneventful
    place mainly because even the most rabid opponents of JWs, many who left and
    others who simply opposed us, no longer consider JWs as a "threat" to them.
    They recognize we're like anyone else who has faith in Jesus Christ as our
    savior, and there's no longer the kind of "controversy" that permeated the
    internet earlier on. As I said and will say again, the generation of JWs
    today is a new generation of younger people who recently came on the scene,
    and these are the faithful Christians who will run the future organization.
    I really think your beef is with people who are long gone, and you're not
    only barking up the wrong tree, but you're in the wrong forest...

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    sKally

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    I don't know that I agree that everybody's beef is with people long gone. A lot of what I am hearing about are new things that have happened fairly recently. Certain people may be long gone but the same attitudes are carried on.

    ???

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3
    You don't understand that JWs have become a mainstream religion
    whom I believe are still unique in our zeal to share our faith with others
    publicly, but not nearly as overly zealous in some areas as we mature as
    Christians.

    Well that's true

    JWs today are baffled by you, because
    it's different today, for lack of a better word, it is a "reformed"
    organization. Those becoming governing body members today were young men in
    the 1970's whom, before becoming JWs, were part of the "disco" generation
    listening to retro 70's music.

    HAHAHA! That's bogus!! Can you name one governing body member who was a young disco fan in the '70's?!?

    Basically this is the take that most JWs front when exposed to real issues from JW-past. "That's old news, the Org is different now."

    I heard this in the 80's about 1975 etc.

    But now we have:

    • UN NGO affliation
    • Child Abuse scandal
    • Internet lockdown infomation control

    all fresh and modern problems.

    In addition modern elders are still ape-ing the WTS even more rigid rulings than in the past, regardless of their age. The WTS is locking down, not reforming. JWs are not allowed to "witness," post emails regarding JW experiences, or even publish their own study aids on the internet. How do you reconcile that with "a 'reformed' organization"?


    *** km 9/02 p. 8 Avoid the Pursuit of "Valueless Things" ***

    Avoid

    the Pursuit of "Valueless Things"

    1

    One popular means of communication today is E-mail. Although sharing personal experiences and thoughts among family and friends through this medium may be appropriate, what "valueless things" can be associated with the unrestricted use of E-mail?-Prov. 12:11.

    2

    Cautions Regarding E-Mail: Some claim to feel more in touch with Jehovah's organization when they receive what they consider to be fresh information via E-mail. This may include experiences, notes on events at Bethel, reports of disasters or persecution, and even confidential information released at Kingdom Ministry Schools. Others seem overly eager to send such messages, hoping to be the first to reveal the information to their friends.

    3

    At times, information and experiences have been distorted or exaggerated. Or perhaps in an effort to be sensational, some have conveyed a false impression. Those who are hasty to reveal such matters often do not have all the facts. (Prov. 29:20) In some cases, even when a story is unbelievable, it is passed on as a curiosity. Such inaccurate or misleading reports amount to "false stories," which do not promote genuine godly devotion.-1 Tim. 4:6, 7.

    4

    If you forward information that turns out to be inaccurate, you bear a measure of responsibility for the sorrow or confusion this can cause. When David received an exaggerated report that all his sons had been killed, he "ripped his clothes apart" in anguish. However, in truth, only one of his sons had died. That was distressing enough, but this exaggeration caused David added distress. (2 Sam. 13:30-33) Surely we would not want to do anything that would mislead or discourage any of our brothers.

    5

    God's Appointed Channel: Bear in mind that our heavenly Father has an appointed channel of communication, "the faithful and discreet slave." That "slave" has the responsibility to determine what information is made available to the household of faith, as well as "the proper time" for it to be dispensed. This spiritual food is available only through the theocratic organization. We should always look to God's appointed channel for reliable information, not to a network of Internet users.-Matt. 24:45.

    6

    Internet Web Sites: We have an official Internet Web site: www.watchtower.org. This site is adequate to make information available to the public. There is no need for any individual, committee, or congregation to prepare a Web page about Jehovah's Witnesses. Some have posted the contents of our publications with all scriptures and references given in full and have even offered copies of convention material on a donation basis. Whether profit is involved or not, the practice of reproducing and distributing publications of Jehovah's Witnesses in an electronic document is a violation of copyright laws. While some may view this as a service to the brothers, it is not approved and should be discontinued.

    7

    Exercising good judgment and soundness of mind when using electronic communication will ensure that our minds are filled with "precious and pleasant things of value."-Prov. 24:4.

    Watch out for apologists like the one quoted above.

  • sweet tee
    sweet tee

    Same control tacticts, information (new light) still flows from the GB and the R&F better get in line or bend over.

    And as was stated earlier, there are new issues to deal with. That said, the old issues will never go away unless the WT leadership fesses up and admits their wrongdoing. Bottom line ... JW's don't want to hear ANY criticism of the borganization and will respond (sometimes intelligently) by coming to borgs defense.

    S.O.S. (same ole' sh*t)

    (tam of the mainstream religion my a** class)

  • PointBlank
    PointBlank
    JWs today are baffled by you, because it's different today, for lack of a better word, it is a "reformed" organization

    Reformed??? Perhaps, but I hardly think so. I would be more inclined to describe it as another JW generation trying to make their wacked out religious sect more palatable to a new, but better informed and savvy public.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    In the Mid 1960's my JW elder dad would bring his family of 5 along to his outgoing 'public talk' assignments.We were from the old Bridgewater Massachusetts.congregation that smelled like mothballs cause they painted the floor joist with cresote.

    ....I remember as a little boy the Plymouth Massachusetts cong. at that time was all real old folks.My dad explained that they were the old 'Russellites'.

    They are all dead and still dead to this day.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    My family members and loved ones who have died broken by Watchtower defaulted prophecies and promises are also all still dead.They died some premature for neglecting their healthcare believing in things like 1914 'generations'.This is current and ongoing today.Just wait till all the dub baby boomers get old with no retirement savings,from their no benefits cottage industries like washing windows and part time jobs.

  • Preston
    Preston

    The torch has been passed to a new generation!!!! .... of.....erm.... door .... knocking....people.

    - Preston

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