There is a serious programming programme going on here. Whenever people say it is a load of rubbish it can be confined to the area of "not interested" and when they seriously hit the mark they are vaguely "Satanic". The fundamental untruth that "we are interested in meeting all Christian believers" and so on needs to be addressed. My uncle was a district overseer, my father was an elder - I was brought up in the JW system. The fear any JW sees when they hear I am a convert to the Roman Catholic Church, on conviction, and completely orthodox - is palpable. They say they can answer all my points yet never come back. JWs should know their pick-up on secular nothingism doesn't defeat everyone - but by excluding the people that can argue they make idiots of themselves and their semi-existent arguments. They absolutely spit venom and so on at the name of Popes John Paul or Benedict - even when I point out how much objective good they promote.