FDS claims to be a spirit medium.... are they?

by biblexaminer 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • biblexaminer
    biblexaminer

    The former Board of Directors, now the back seat drivers via a group of minions, claim to be Spirit Mediums. Pick up any Watchtower magazine, and in one of the two (or sometimes three) articles, somewhere will be the ever repeated -like a broken record- phrase, the "Faithful and DIscreet Slave" followed by Matthew 24:45.

    The Watchtower synod then, claims to have "special knowledge" as it's called, and say that they are the only approved "communication" with God, who we all know dwells in the spirit realm.

    Therefore, the Governing Body lays claim to being a 'go-between' or "medium" between man and God (the spirit). There's no two ways about it, they even use the term "channel", which means they are "channeling".

    Taking it one step farther, to consult the Watchtower magazine would then be to consult "a spirit medium" making Watchtower readers ones who consult spirit mediums.

    What then does the Bible teach about those who would lay claim to being "spirit mediums", as well as those who would "consult" them?

  • nytelecom1
    nytelecom1

    i claim that the bible is the only channel for knowledge of god.......i use it.......does that make me a medium?

  • biblexaminer
    biblexaminer

    Interseting. Now, do you claim to have knowledge other than the Bible, as though you had "special knowledge" to add to it's content, as does the GB "slave"?

    The Watchtower leaders are not just claiming something for the Bible, they are making a claim for themselves, that they have more and superior knowledge, superior to the rank & file.

    They are not claiming that the Bible is "the channel", but rather that they are the channel. And they say that God reveals things to them as "prophets".

    I can read the Bible as well as any man. But I am willing to let the authority rest in His word. The GB attributes to itself "special wisdom" as a "channel" or medium. The talmudic volumes that they put out are an addition to His holy word.

    Did God say the world would end in 1925 or 1975? They un-ashamedly DID. And they has the gall to claim that God Almighty revealed it to them, skipping past his ordained arrangement of Jesus as the go-between and claiming a type of "messiahship" of their own as a last days, so-called latter-day messiah-group which was prophecied to come.

    Did God say we shouldn't take "alternative service", and languish in prison? Did He change his mind a few years later and say "it's all right now", sorry for the inconvenience? ie broken homes, wrecked lives etc...

    They did. And they said "we are God's channel" a medium to the spirit realm, a mediator between God and you amharets.

  • aChristian
    aChristian

    I don't think your "spirit medium" analogy holds up well. After all, Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me." Does this mean that those who asked Jesus for God's view of things were consulting a "spirit medium?" The fact is, the Pope also claims to serve as God's spokesman in much the same way as the leaders of the Watchtower do. However, I believe nearly a billion Catholics would highly object to the assertion that they are consulting a "spirit medium" when seeking the Pope's guidance in spiritual matters.

    I do not believe that either the Watchtower Society or the Pope can fairly be accused of acting as "spirit mediums" for claiming to receive special revelations from God. If they could, then all of the Bible's writers and all of God's prophets from the times of both the Old and New Testaments, could also be fairly referred to as "spirit mediums." But I believe such characterizations would be unfair. Why? Because a "spirit medium" is defined as someone who claims to be able to communicate with the spirits of dead humans.

    With this said, please don't get the idea that I am defending the Watchtower Society in this area. Quite the opposite in fact. For the fact of the matter is, the leaders of Watchtower have long claimed to be in communication with the spirits of dead humans. And because they have, I believe it can fairly be said that they are claiming to be acting as "spirit mediums."

    When have they claimed to be in communication with dead humans? Though I don't have the quotes at my fingertips right now, I believe they have made this claim several times in the past, when they have said that their work was being directed by members of their sect who had already died and been resurrected to heaven. For many years the Society taught that the heavenly resurrection began in the year 1878. As I recall, it was with this in mind, that J.F. Rutherford, the Society's second President, taught that his writing work was being guided by the resurrected spirit of the Society's first President, Charles Russell. In more recent years the Society has taught that the heavenly resurrection began in the year 1918, but their teaching that they are somehow communicating with the spirits of dead JWs continues.

    In the book Revelation - Its Grand Climax At Hand, (published in 1988 but carefully studied by all JWs in their midweek book studies just this past year) it was written, "This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in communicating divine truths today." ( page 125, paragraph 17)

    So, though I differ with you on the way in which you reached your conclusion, I agree with that conclusion. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses do in fact claim to be acting as spirit mediums and all Jehovah's Witnesses who seek their direction on spiritual matters can, I believe, be fairly said to be "consulting spirit mediums."

  • biblexaminer
    biblexaminer

    Because a "spirit medium" is defined as someone who claims to be able to communicate with the spirits of dead humans.

    Interesting, but where did you get this definition? Dead humans are not spirits. They are dead. In the Bible, which JWs claim to believe in, a spirit is clearly ALIVE, and is a demon, or fallen angel.

    In the Bible, there were many approved spirit mediums. They were called prophets. A prophet is an approved communication with the spirit realm, and IS BACKED UP BY WORKS.

    The GB losers claim to be prophets, but since their claim is false, they are reduced to the ranks of a crystal ball-gazing "spirit medium".

  • aChristian
    aChristian

    :Because a "spirit medium" is defined as someone who claims to be able to communicate with the spirits of dead humans.

    :Interesting, but where did you get this definition?

    The American Heritage Dictionary

    " 5. A person thought to have the power to communicate with the spirits of the dead."

    Hey, bro, I'm with you on this. I just think JWs will be more disturbed with their leaders claims to communicate with the dead than with God.

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