Inaccuracies big big huge ones

by estrelasb 3 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • estrelasb
    estrelasb

    Having spent many hours of my childhood in the midst of watchtower indoctrination, I cam to find many many discrepancies. To me even as a young child they were GLARINGLY obvious. Remember the standard reply to any a unanswerable or difficult question posed ``only jehovah knows´´ , well that wasn´t good enough. All that study, all that time spent supposedly educating ones brain to bible ways and one would never be permitted to question beyond the bounds of what was consider respectful to ´jehovah´ i;e anything resonableand realistic.

    I studied my own way out, Plath, Plato, Sexton, psychology, philosophy, biology , maths and girlie mags (for sex ed), I read anything and everything (during my teenage years) that wasn´t of the society. I was determined to keep afloat from this indoctrination. I recognised it early on, once one studies history´s use of propaganda and indoctrination for all sorts of motives, well you can not escape that knowledge. Yes knowledge, oh that word used by the the society and hence my parents who puppeted it, failing to acknowledge this was purely censored knowledge (and is that really knowledge at all????). Of corse there was a line and I crossed it, straight into satans hands , so they said. But I am grateful to them for their lies drove me to discover my own truth and even if I didn´t discover I wanted to know everything, every theory, every advancement. Venturing into a mad, crazy but vibrant world where things were no longer BLACK OR WHITE, RIGHT OR WRONG. A totally different way of seeing the world.

    As we all know knowledge is power and in the society attempts to squash this are unrelently. Convinced I was falling to the devil my parents (along with elders, though I do not know this but seems pretty likely they were getting their advice from them) desperatly tried to pull me back with very extreme measures. Burning books, trying to shame me about the ´disgusting´things I was reading (the purity of sex, the most wonderful thing in the world and all they´ve got to say about it is ´disgusting´ religion!!!!!! all of them bloody hell). I was getting ill, being spirited and all like young people are (the most wonderful thing in the world the spirit, the sexual energy of youth) years of being bashed down took its toll. I´m afraid I´d always fought, just the way I am, couldn´t live a lie and I paid. So got to about 15, came to a head, internalised all my anger (much less dangerous). Started with my eating developing into a disorder, started self-harming in the form of cutting and smoked ridiculously!!! At the time also trying to go through with my education (a-levels in the U.K). I stopped attending meetings at 16 after many threats, emotionally anf financially I was all but cut off bar my food and bus fair to school.

    (Aged 17)On a certain day after I´m pretty sure talks with elders, my parents delusioned and acting like robots told me I could stay in the house but they would be buring all my ´satanic material´ (ie educational books) if I continued to live in the house. I left with my possessions moving in with my grandparents, my grandmother not being a JW. Things got a little better but the shock hit me. Trying to shorten this story. left for college, got heavily into drugs (some of the most amazing and worst experiences of my life) got more thin, nearly admitted to hospital. Got help (still recommend a good joint though haha).

    Sorry so now I get to my point. I was very certain that most of the literature relating to their very own interpreted bible and their bible itself was pretty off the mark. And not particularly being a big fan of organised religion, the concept of god a thing to be explained and of corse all the research done in theology departments around the world in which they will all support the notion the bible comprised many years after the death of a certain man called jesus, changed and used for mans own purpose (even popular mainstream books like davinci code are starting to go there) and even the relevance of this ancient book anyhow!!!!!

    However I have not spent years in specifics researching, I just know what my instinct tells and I want to spend my life reading other subject matter (I think 16 years of listening to society guidance is enough to make a decision, my parents do not agree).

    This is not enough to inform my younger brother (aged 20), who feels a strong loyalty to my parents, especially concerning the depression they experience concerning my being part of the ´world´. he has cut himself off from most reading and forms of info outside the watchtower (as you know a requiremnt of there´s). I just really want him to be informed, if he choses to go with the reilgion even though he knows there dates etc. are false ( this echoed from those spending time researching in libraries and of corse all my reading of the boards) and indoctrination and control rampant but so be it. I must go however as informed myself as I can be with backing, supporting evidence and much more and I have been saving this till I can do this. I am especially concerned due to extreme migraines he experiences, which really do seem related to his unhappiness (he never looks happy), I can sense his confusion.

    I would greatly appreciate all advice and information regarding the above

    my email is [email protected]

    I would just like to add that I love my parents dearly and consider them to be puppets of the religion, they though misguided only wish for this earth to be beautiful and peaceful, its a shame that it is creating the direct opposite feeling within our family ( I also have a younger sister of 13, much harder and I need advice too, she is not amoured with the strict way of life, many hours taken up with meetings and other society activities)

    Thanks for reading

  • Terry
    Terry
    I would greatly appreciate all advice and information regarding the above

    This is your premise.

    You are asking OTHERS for what is really your job.

    When you read a book you are listening to others.

    When you accept what others say you are left with their mind on the subject.

    What about YOUR MIND?

    Study is important. But, you have to be able to calibrate the vast spectrum from black to white. Every author has a point of view and a position to defend. You can fall into their mind like a Bengal Tiger into a hole dug in the ground covered with branches.

    I went through pretty much what you did. Most of us here did.

    I can only tell you this.

    1.I had to scrape all the crazy thinking off the walls of my mind FIRST.

    2.I had to adopt a new set of tools for my mind.

    3. I had to comprehend how the mind works and how concepts are formed.

    4.I had to go back and replace all my "crazy" definitions and categories with real ones.

    5.I had to develop a built in bullshit detector.

    6.I had to develop a skeptical attitude and test every word and every sentence that came from anybody else.

    That is what helped me.

    Every thing we say has a root. Often that root is hidden. It contains a premise. Is the premise something WE HAVE CHOSEN by testing? Or, is that hidden premise something lodged without our premission that operates our intellect like a virus?

    That is the important task.

    You can't think for your brother or make him think. He has to want to think FOR HIMSELF. A person who is not hungry is hard to feed. He may not want to feed himself. He may want the path of least resistance.

    Terry

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Welcome,

    Terry has made some good points. It is admirable that you want to help loved ones away from a controlling belief system but unless they have given you reason to believe they are open to being otherwise persuaded your efforts are likely to be misread as an attack. A very personal attack. Without clear evidence that they desire to strike off in a new direction, you will be cast as the agent of evil trying lead them astray. Even if they casually ask why you are not a JW, they likely only want you to reveal your error to reinforce their beliefs. The best advice is generally the hardest, patiently and insightfully avoid controversy and make certain they know of your love. That simple yet incredibly difficult approach circumvents their defences. JWs and other totalist groups are psychologically prepared to meet a head on confrontation with anyone or anything that differs from their narrow world vision. Only if they are willing to show signs of doubt will they likely respond favorably to your history, science etc. you want to share. It is true that all have secret doubts, but unless they are allowed into the light they will resolutely deny them before others. A powerful reson many stay in these high control environments is that they are convinced (by design) that there is nowhere else to go. You can defeat that control mechanism by being available and accessable. This requires that you not be offensive or come across judgemental. There are a number of outstanding researchers here on this site that have made the points you want in easy to understand form. I can recommend a few like Leolaia, narkissos, Alanf, funkydarek, hillarystep,alleymom and others. Perhaps you can glean some valuable info for your own self by using the membership list and clicking post or thread history.

  • estrelasb
    estrelasb

    Thankyou, I agree. I have adopted this policy so far one of love and it has got me further than before. I will continue, though not with out days of frustration.

    May the force be with us all

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