Book Study Week 3 (7/12): Daniel—A Book on Trial pars. 16-32

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    ithinkisee

    Book Study Week 3 (7/12): Daniel—A Book on Trial pars. 16-32

    This week's book study. Enjoy everyone!

    TELLING DETAILS

    16 Let us now turn our attention from the negative to the positive. Consider some other details in the book of Daniel indicating that the writer had firsthand knowledge of the times he wrote about.

    "Let us now turn our attention from the negative to the positive"
    Nice. Putting the critics in a bad light. That way if you come up with some actual legitimate criticism, the JWs can just say, "You're being negative.

    17 Daniel’s familiarity with subtle details about ancient Babylon is compelling evidence of the authenticity of his account. For instance, Daniel 3:1-6 reports that Nebuchadnezzar set up a giant image for all the people to worship. Archaeologists have found other evidence that this monarch sought to get his people more involved in nationalistic and religious practices. Similarly, Daniel records Nebuchadnezzar’s boastful attitude about his many construction projects. (Daniel 4:30) Not until modern times have archaeologists confirmed that Nebuchadnezzar was indeed behind a great deal of the building done in Babylon. As to boastfulness—why, the man had his name stamped on the very bricks! Daniel’s critics cannot explain how their supposed forger of Maccabean times (167-63 B.C.E.) could have known of such construction projects—some four centuries after the fact and long before archaeologists brought them to light.

    18 The book of Daniel also reveals some key differences between Babylonian and Medo-Persian law. For example, under Babylonian law Daniel’s three companions were thrown into a fiery furnace for refusing to obey the king’s command. Decades later, Daniel was thrown into a pit of lions for refusing to obey a Persian law that violated his conscience. (Daniel 3:6; 6:7-9) Some have tried to dismiss the fiery furnace account as legend, but archaeologists have found an actual letter from ancient Babylon that specifically mentions this form of punishment. To the Medes and the Persians, however, fire was sacred. So they turned to other vicious forms of punishment. Hence, the pit of lions comes as no surprise.

    19 Another contrast emerges. Daniel shows that Nebuchadnezzar could enact and change laws on a whim. Darius could do nothing to change ‘the laws of the Medes and the Persians’—even those he himself had enacted! (Daniel 2:5, 6, 24, 46-49; 3:10, 11, 29; 6:12-16) Historian John C. Whitcomb writes: “Ancient history substantiates this difference between Babylon, where the law was subject to the king, and Medo-Persia, where the king was subject to the law.”

    20 The thrilling account of Belshazzar’s feast, which is recorded in Daniel chapter 5, is rich in detail. Apparently, it began with lighthearted eating and plenty of drinking, for there are several references to wine. (Daniel 5:1, 2, 4) In fact, relief carvings of similar feasts show only wine being consumed. Evidently, then, wine was extremely important at such festivities. Daniel also mentions that women were present at this banquet—the king’s secondary wives and his concubines. (Daniel 5:3, 23) Archaeology supports this detail of Babylonian custom. The notion of wives joining men at a feast was objectionable to Jews and Greeks in the Maccabean era. Perhaps that is why early versions of the Greek Septuagint translation of Daniel omit the mention of these women. Yet, the alleged forger of Daniel would have lived in the same Hellenized (Greek) culture, and perhaps even during the same general era, that produced the Septuagint!

    21 In view of such details, it seems almost incredible that Britannica could describe the author of the book of Daniel as having only a “sketchy and inaccurate” knowledge of the exilic times. How could any forger of later centuries have been so intimately familiar with ancient Babylonian and Persian customs? Remember, too, that both empires had gone into decline long before the second century B.C.E. There were evidently no archaeologists back then; nor did the Jews of that time pride themselves on knowledge of foreign cultures and history. Only Daniel the prophet, an eyewitness of the times and events he described, could have written the Bible book bearing his name.

    DO EXTERNAL FACTORS PROVE DANIEL A FORGERY?

    22 One of the most common arguments against the book of Daniel involves its place in the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures. The ancient rabbis arranged the books of the Hebrew Scriptures in three groups: the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings. They listed Daniel, not among the Prophets, but among the Writings. This means, the critics argue, that the book must have been unknown at the time when the works of the other prophets were collected. It is grouped among the Writings supposedly because these were collected later.

    23 Nevertheless, not all Bible researchers agree that the ancient rabbis divided the canon in such a rigid manner or that they excluded Daniel from the Prophets. But even if the rabbis did list Daniel among the Writings, would this prove that it was written at a later date? No. Reputable scholars have suggested a number of reasons why the rabbis might have excluded Daniel from the Prophets. For instance, they may have done so because the book offended them or because they viewed Daniel himself as distinct from other prophets in that he held secular office in a foreign land. In any case, what really matters is this: The ancient Jews had deep regard for the book of Daniel and held it to be canonical. Moreover, the evidence suggests that the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures was closed long before the second century B.C.E. Later additions were simply not allowed, including some books written during the second century B.C.E.

    24 Ironically, one of these rejected later works has been used as an argument against the book of Daniel. The apocryphal book Ecclesiasticus, by Jesus Ben Sirach, was evidently composed about 180 B.C.E. Critics like to point out that Daniel is omitted from the book’s long list of righteous men. They reason that Daniel must have been unknown at the time. This argument is widely accepted among scholars. But consider this: The same list omits Ezra and Mordecai (both of whom were great heroes in the eyes of postexilic Jews), good King Jehoshaphat, and the upright man Job; of all the judges, it names only Samuel. Because such men are omitted from a list that makes no claim to be exhaustive, occurring in a noncanonical book, must we dismiss all of them as fictitious? The very notion is preposterous.

    OUTSIDE TESTIMONY IN FAVOR OF DANIEL

    25 Let us move again to the positive. It has been suggested that no other book of the Hebrew Scriptures is as well attested to as Daniel. To illustrate: The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity. He says that Alexander the Great, during his war against Persia in the fourth century B.C.E., came to Jerusalem, where the priests showed him a copy of the book of Daniel. Alexander himself concluded that the words of Daniel’s prophecy that were pointed out to him referred to his own military campaign involving Persia. This would have been about a century and a half before the “forgery” as proposed by critics. Of course, critics have assailed Josephus concerning this passage. They also assail him for noting that some prophecies in the book of Daniel were fulfilled. Yet, as historian Joseph D. Wilson remarked, “[Josephus] probably knew more of the matter than all the critics in the world.”

    "The famous Jewish historian Josephus attests to its authenticity."
    C'mon guys ... how about some contemporary historians ... geez.

    26 The authenticity of the book of Daniel received further support when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in the caves of Qumran, Israel. Surprisingly numerous among the finds discovered in 1952 are scrolls and fragments from the book of Daniel. The oldest has been dated to the late second century B.C.E. At that early date, therefore, the book of Daniel was already well-known and widely respected. Notes The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible: “A Maccabean dating for Daniel has now to be abandoned, if only because there could not possibly be a sufficient interval between the composition of Daniel and its appearance in the form of copies in the library of a Maccabean religious sect.”

    27 However, there is far older and more reliable attestation to the book of Daniel. One of Daniel’s contemporaries was the prophet Ezekiel. He too served as a prophet during the Babylonian exile. Several times, the book of Ezekiel mentions Daniel by name. (Ezekiel 14:14, 20; 28:3) These references show that even during his own lifetime, in the sixth century B.C.E., Daniel was already well-known as a righteous and a wise man, worthy of being mentioned alongside God-fearing Noah and Job.

    THE GREATEST WITNESS

    28 Finally, though, let us consider the greatest of all the witnesses to the authenticity of Daniel—none other than Jesus Christ. In his discussion of the last days, Jesus refers to “Daniel the prophet” and to one of Daniel’s prophecies.—Matthew 24:15; Daniel 11:31; 12:11.

    29 Now if the Maccabean theory of the critics were correct, one of two things would have to be true. Either Jesus was duped by this forgery or he never said what Matthew quotes him as saying. Neither option is viable. If we cannot rely on Matthew’s Gospel account, how can we rely on other parts of the Bible? If we remove those sentences, what words will we next pluck from the pages of the Holy Scriptures? The apostle Paul wrote: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, . . . for setting things straight.” (2 Timothy 3:16) So if Daniel was a fraud, then Paul was another one! Could Jesus have been duped? Hardly. He was alive in heaven when the book of Daniel was written. Jesus even said: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” (John 8:58) Of all humans who have ever lived, Jesus would be the best one for us to ask for information regarding the authenticity of Daniel. But we do not have to ask. As we have seen, his testimony could scarcely be any clearer.

    30 Jesus further authenticated the book of Daniel at the very time of his baptism. He then became the Messiah, fulfilling a prophecy in Daniel regarding the 69 weeks of years. (Daniel 9:25, 26; see Chapter 11 of this book.) Even if what may be called the late date theory were true, the writer of Daniel still knew the future some 200 years in advance. Of course, God would not inspire a forger to utter true prophecies under a false name. No, the witness of Jesus is wholeheartedly accepted by people faithful to God. If all the experts, all the critics in the world, were to mount up as one to denounce Daniel, the testimony of Jesus would prove them wrong, for he is “the faithful and true witness.”—Revelation 3:14.

    31 Even this testimony is not enough for many Bible critics. After considering this subject thoroughly, one cannot help but wonder if any amount of evidence would be enough to convince them. One professor at Oxford University wrote: “Nothing is gained by a mere answer to objections, so long as the original prejudice, ‘there cannot be supernatural prophecy,’ remains.” So their prejudice blinds them. But that is their choice—and their loss.

    32 What about you? If you can see that there is no real reason to doubt the authenticity of the book of Daniel, then you are ready for an exciting voyage of discovery. You will find the narratives in Daniel thrilling, the prophecies fascinating. More important, you will find your faith growing stronger with each chapter. You will never regret paying close attention to Daniel’s prophecy!

    [Footnotes]

    Some critics try to temper the charge of forgery by saying that the writer used Daniel as a pseudonym, just as some ancient noncanonical books were written under assumed names. However, the Bible critic Ferdinand Hitzig held: “The case of the book of Daniel, if it is assigned to any other [writer], is different. Then it becomes a forged writing, and the intention was to deceive his immediate readers, though for their good.”

    Nabonidus was away when Babylon fell. Thus, Belshazzar is rightly described as king at that time. Critics quibble that secular records do not give Belshazzar the official title of king. Nevertheless, ancient evidence suggests that even a governor may have been spoken of as king by the people in those days.

    Hebrew scholar C. F. Keil writes of Daniel 5:3: “The LXX. have here, and also at ver. 23, omitted mention of the women, according to the custom of the Macedonians, Greeks, and Romans.”

    The apostle Paul’s inspired list of faithful men and women mentioned in Hebrews chapter 11, by contrast, does seem to allude to events recorded in Daniel. (Daniel 6:16-24; Hebrews 11:32, 33) However, the apostle’s list is not exhaustive either. There are many, including Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel, who are not named in the list, but this hardly proves that they never existed.

    Some historians have noted that this would explain why Alexander was so kind to the Jews, who were long-standing friends of the Persians. At the time, Alexander was on a campaign to destroy all friends of Persia.

    [Box on page 26]

    The Matter of Language

    THE writing of the book of Daniel was completed in about 536 B.C.E. It was written in the Hebrew and Aramaic languages, with a few Greek and Persian words. Such a mixture of languages is unusual but not unique in Scripture. The Bible book of Ezra too was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Yet, some critics insist that the writer of Daniel used these languages in a way that proves he was writing at a date later than 536 B.C.E. One critic is widely quoted as saying that the use of Greek words in Daniel demands a late date of composition. He asserts that the Hebrew supports and the Aramaic at least permits such a late date—even one as recent as in the second century B.C.E.

    However, not all language scholars agree. Some authorities have said that Daniel’s Hebrew is similar to that of Ezekiel and Ezra and unlike that found in such later apocryphal works as Ecclesiasticus. As to Daniel’s use of Aramaic, consider two documents found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. They too are in Aramaic and date from the first and second centuries B.C.E.—not long after the supposed forgery of Daniel. But scholars have noted a profound difference between the Aramaic in these documents and that found in Daniel. Thus, some suggest that the book of Daniel must be centuries older than its critics assert.

    What about the “problematic” Greek words in Daniel? Some of these have been discovered to be Persian, not Greek at all! The only words still thought to be Greek are the names of three musical instruments. Does the presence of these three words really demand that Daniel be assigned a late date? No. Archaeologists have found that Greek culture was influential centuries before Greece became a world power. Furthermore, if the book of Daniel had been composed during the second century B.C.E., when Greek culture and language were all-pervasive, would it contain only three Greek words? Hardly. It would likely contain far more. So the linguistic evidence really supports the authenticity of Daniel.

    [Full-page picture on page 12]

    [Pictures on page 20]

    (Above) This inscription contains the boasting of Nebuchadnezzar regarding his construction projects

    (Below) Babylonian temple cylinder names King Nabonidus and his son Belshazzar

    [Picture on page 21]

    According to the Nabonidus Chronicle, Cyrus’ army entered Babylon without a fight

    [Pictures on page 22]

    (Right) The “Verse Account of Nabonidus” reports that Nabonidus entrusted the rulership to his firstborn

    (Left) Babylonian record of Nebuchadnezzar’s invasion of Judah

    WHAT DID YOU DISCERN?

    · Of what has the book of Daniel been accused?

    · Why are the critics’ attacks on the book of Daniel not well-founded?

    · What evidence supports the authenticity of Daniel’s account?

    · What is the most convincing proof that the book of Daniel is authentic?

    [Study Questions]

    16, 17. How has archaeological evidence supported Daniel’s account of (a) Nebuchadnezzar’s setting up a religious image for all his people to worship? (b) Nebuchadnezzar’s boastful attitude about his construction projects in Babylon?

    18. How does Daniel’s account of the different forms of punishment under Babylonian rule and Persian rule reflect accuracy?

    19. What contrast between the Babylonian and the Medo-Persian legal systems does the book of Daniel make clear?

    20. What details regarding Belshazzar’s feast reflect Daniel’s firsthand knowledge of Babylonian customs?

    21. What is the most reasonable explanation of Daniel’s having intimate knowledge of the times and customs of the Babylonian exile?

    22. What claim do critics make regarding the place of Daniel in the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures?

    23. How did the ancient Jews view the book of Daniel, and how do we know this?

    24. How has the apocryphal book Ecclesiasticus been used against the book of Daniel, and what shows this reasoning to be faulty?

    25. (a) How did Josephus attest to the genuineness of Daniel’s account? (b) In what way does Josephus’ account regarding Alexander the Great and the book of Daniel fit in with known history? (See second footnote.) (c) How does linguistic evidence support the book of Daniel? (See page 26.)

    26. How have the Dead Sea Scrolls supported the authenticity of the book of Daniel?

    27. What is the oldest evidence that Daniel was an actual person who was well-known during the Babylonian exile?

    28, 29. (a) What is the most convincing proof of all that the book of Daniel is authentic? (b) Why should we accept Jesus’ testimony?

    30. How did Jesus further authenticate the book of Daniel?

    31. Why are many Bible critics still unconvinced as to the authenticity of Daniel?

    32. What lies ahead in our study of Daniel?

    -ithinkisee

  • VM44
    VM44

    Who wrote this "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" book? Somebody here at JWD must know who is responsible for this "reasoning". --VM44

  • VM44
    VM44

    Professor E. B. Pusey of Oxford is the source of the quote: "Nothing is gained by a mere answer to objections, so long as the original prejudice, 'there cannot be supernatural prophecy,' remains" (Daniel the Prophet--Nine Lectures, preface), PUBLISHED IN 1885!

    Talk about using old references. That must have been one of the books in Russell's library!

  • cyberguy
    cyberguy

    I found the Tyndale Bible Commentary (a recent commentary) on Daniel, to have a number of convincing arguments to the credibility/authenticity of the writing of Daniel. I’ve also read many counter arguments in a number of Bible commentaries, but I’m still contemplating this issue and have not reached a conclusion yet. The WT arguments are simply incomplete, if not inconsistent, and certainly not credible. Their main argument to credibility/authenticity is Jesus’ reference to the book, which I don’t find convincing.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    One critic is widely quoted as saying that the use of Greek words in Daniel demands a late date of composition. He asserts that the Hebrew supports and the Aramaic at least permits such a late date—even one as recent as in the second century B.C.E.

    VM44...Similarly, the unnamed scholar being quoted here is S. R. Driver, in a book published in 1897. It's a classic, but still....most of their references are to old publications, and the WTS shows almost an inability not only to provide references, but also to even name the scholars they are discussing.

    cyberguy....If I had the time, I could pick apart every one of these arguments, but here are some of the easiest ones:

    Daniel 3:1-6 reports that Nebuchadnezzar set up a giant image for all the people to worship. Archaeologists have found other evidence that this monarch sought to get his people more involved in nationalistic and religious practices. Similarly, Daniel records Nebuchadnezzar’s boastful attitude about his many construction projects. (Daniel 4:30) Not until modern times have archaeologists confirmed that Nebuchadnezzar was indeed behind a great deal of the building done in Babylon. As to boastfulness—why, the man had his name stamped on the very bricks! Daniel’s critics cannot explain how their supposed forger of Maccabean times (167-63 B.C.E.) could have known of such construction projects—some four centuries after the fact and long before archaeologists brought them to light.

    The implication that only someone from the Neo-Babylonian period could have written about such a "giant image" is completely false. Greek historians from the Seleucid era (e.g. the time when Daniel was written) frequently mentioned the existence of a statue like this in Babylon, as existing in their own day and going back to the Persian period at least. Herodotus (1.183) mentioned a "great golden statue of Zeus" in the temple of Bel in Babylon and a similar "figure of gold, twelve cubits high, entirely of solid gold" in Bel's temple in Cyrus' day. Diodorus Siculus (2.9) mentioned three golden statues on the temple of Bel, the one representing Zeus being over 40 feet high. The apocryphal Bel and the Dragon, added to all Greek versions of Daniel, is even closer to accounts of the Greek historians:

    "King Astyages was gathered to his fathers and Cyrus the Persian received the kingdom. Daniel was a companion of the king was more distinguished than all his friends. The Babylonians had an idol, whose name was Bel, and every day they expended on it twelve bushels of fine flour, four sheep, and six measures of wine" (Daniel 13:1-3).

    The story is especially close to that of Herodotus in naming Cyrus and the idol as in the temple of Bel. Either this "spurious" tale, which contains more "accurate" historical detail than Daniel, is a genuine story from the lifetime of Daniel himself, or it is a late legend drawing detail from Hellenistic sources (the Society in fact regards this as a late tale). If this can be true of Bel and the Dragon, why not the rest of Daniel? Indeed, the parallels with Herodotus can at times be quite striking. Even more to the point, the specific story involved in Daniel appears in the account of the second-century B.C. Jewish historian Eupolemus, who reported how the prophet Jeremiah discovered the Jews "sacrificing to a golden idol named Baal", and how King Jehoiakim tried to "burn him alive" as punishment (cf. Eusebius, PE 9.39.1-5). This is just the same theme involved in the Daniel story (associating the motif of a golden statue with punishment by fire), and this traditional story was recorded in the Hellenistic period when Daniel was most likely written. The simplest explanation is that this traditional story concerning Jeremiah was adapted by the author of Daniel to refer to the famous golden statue in Bel's temple in Babylon described at length by Herodotus and other writers.

    The thrilling account of Belshazzar’s feast, which is recorded in Daniel chapter 5, is rich in detail. Apparently, it began with lighthearted eating and plenty of drinking, for there are several references to wine. (Daniel 5:1, 2, 4) In fact, relief carvings of similar feasts show only wine being consumed. Evidently, then, wine was extremely important at such festivities. Daniel also mentions that women were present at this banquet—the king’s secondary wives and his concubines. (Daniel 5:3, 23) Archaeology supports this detail of Babylonian custom. The notion of wives joining men at a feast was objectionable to Jews and Greeks in the Maccabean era. Perhaps that is why early versions of the Greek Septuagint translation of Daniel omit the mention of these women. Yet, the alleged forger of Daniel would have lived in the same Hellenized (Greek) culture, and perhaps even during the same general era, that produced the Septuagint!

    First of all, many of the details are those that occur in the accounts of the Greek historians. Some other details are inauthentic, such as the mention of Greek musical instruments used in Belshazzar's feast. Third, the implication that a Maccabean-era writer could not have described women at such a feast is also false. Again, to quote Herodotus: "We Persians have a custom when we make a great feast to bring with us to the board our wives and concubines and make them sit beside us" (5.18). True, this is referring to the Persians who conquered the Babylonians, but the idea of wives joining men would certainly not be foreign to the mind of a second-century BC writer. Even more to the point, Xenophon (Cyropaedia 5.2.28), reporting a partly fictional conversation between Cyrus and Gobryas on how to conquer Babylon, implies that concubines were present at a prior drinking party in Babylon (at which a young boy of rank was castrated because his concubine lover had praised his beauty).

    27 However, there is far older and more reliable attestation to the book of Daniel. One of Daniel’s contemporaries was the prophet Ezekiel. He too served as a prophet during the Babylonian exile. Several times, the book of Ezekiel mentions Daniel by name. (Ezekiel 14:14, 20; 28:3) These references show that even during his own lifetime, in the sixth century B.C.E., Daniel was already well-known as a righteous and a wise man, worthy of being mentioned alongside God-fearing Noah and Job.

    Isn't it strange that an obscure young man in Babylon would be so famous to the King of Tyre that Ezekiel would ask him to think back to such a wise sage of the past (28:3), or that a contemporary would be grouped with such famous heroes like Noah and Job from the distant past (14:14, 20)? Or that the reason why Ezekiel groups "Daniel" with Noah and Job was because they were famous for saving their children or receiving children from death....yet young Daniel serving in the court of Nebuchadnezzer with two other young men is nowhere known, let alone famous for, trying to save his children. Isn't even more strange that the name isn't even "Daniel" (dny'l) in Ezekiel, but rather "Danel" (dn'l), spelled consistently as such, and that indeed there was a Canaanite legend concerning a wise Job-like judge named Danel from the distant past who lost his son Aqhat in death and Danel tried to avenge his death and possibly bring him back from the realm of the dead? Indeed, is there a hardly any reason to assume that the Danel of Ezekiel has anything to do with the "Daniel" of the book of Daniel??

    29 Now if the Maccabean theory of the critics were correct, one of two things would have to be true. Either Jesus was duped by this forgery or he never said what Matthew quotes him as saying. Neither option is viable. If we cannot rely on Matthew’s Gospel account, how can we rely on other parts of the Bible? If we remove those sentences, what words will we next pluck from the pages of the Holy Scriptures?

    This paragraph is loaded to the max with presuppositions.

    The apostle Paul wrote: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, . . . for setting things straight.” (2 Timothy 3:16) So if Daniel was a fraud, then Paul was another one!

    But what they don't consider is that what was considered to be "all scripture" in the first century is not necessarily what is included in our Bibles today. 2 Timothy does not in fact state that Daniel was one of these books. For all we know, the author could have also considered 1 Enoch as inspired scripture as well. The author of Jude certainly did quote and use this "spurious fraud" as inspired prophecy (and it is explicitly called "scripture" by numerous second-century Christians). So one could just as well quote 2 Timothy 3:16 to prove that 1 Enoch is not a fraud.

    30 Jesus further authenticated the book of Daniel at the very time of his baptism. He then became the Messiah, fulfilling a prophecy in Daniel regarding the 69 weeks of years. (Daniel 9:25, 26; see Chapter 11 of this book.) Even if what may be called the late date theory were true, the writer of Daniel still knew the future some 200 years in advance.

    As I've discussed extensively in prior threads, this "prophecy" is based on a misreading of Daniel, which itself indicates that same individual is meant who in other chapters causes sacrifice and oblation to cease and places the "abomination of desolation" (the heathen altar) in the Temple. I personally think it is insulting to Jesus to take a clear reference to the horrific Antiochus persecution and make it apply to Jesus.

  • ithinkisee
    ithinkisee

    BTTT

    .. anyone going to book study tonight?

    -ithinkisee

  • cyberguy
    cyberguy

    Hey Leolaia,

    You continue to outdo yourself almost every post! I’ve enjoyed all your posts, especially of late! Thank you so much for your contribution to this board and particularly your intense review of the Bible! books! Thanks again!

  • VM44
    VM44

    Nope....didn't go. :) --VM44

  • Masterpiece
    Masterpiece

    Daniel 3:1-6 reports that Nebuchadnezzar set up a giant image for all the people to worship. Archaeologists have found other evidence that this monarch sought to get his people more involved in nationalistic and religious practices. Similarly, Daniel records Nebuchadnezzar’s boastful attitude about his many construction projects. (Daniel 4:30) Not until modern times have archaeologists confirmed that Nebuchadnezzar was indeed behind a great deal of the building done in Babylon. As to boastfulness—why, the man had his name stamped on the very bricks! Daniel’s critics cannot explain how their supposed forger of Maccabean times (167-63 B.C.E.) could have known of such construction projects—some four centuries after the fact and long before archaeologists brought them to light.

    Philosophy behind this is even more flawed. Now they are saying that it is suprising that someone from 160 B.C.E would know something from 500 B.C.E. That's just nuts. It's not remotely suprising that someone would know what happened at the past or know something about the culture that thrived 400 years earlier. If they want to say that it is suprising that someone knew the past, they should explain it in more detail: Why is it suprising? They should show that the writer writing in 160 B.C.E. was not in the position (geografical or other) that he could know things that he wrote. Becase if the writer was rabbi in Judea living in 160 B.C.E, then it is not remotely suprising that he would have access to documents or information that tell what happened at the past.


    It's just rubbish.


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